US National F-Class Championships - well done Canada!

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First of all, I would like to extend my congratulations to our 10 Canadian shooters that attended this prestigious event and made an excellent showing. Special accolades go to top Canadian FTR shooter, Terry Perkins!!! A pat on the back for my Bro Richard Dreger, and "Inspector" Glen, Top CDN F-O shooter.

By all accounts, these were brutal conditions, and when you see Fripp and Dreger in anything but the top 10, you know it was a grunt!

It is interesting to note that the F-Open winner is a relative newcomer, and was in his first F-Open match. It is also interesting to note that he won in those conditions using a 300WSM and 210 grain (JLK) bullets. (...oh yeah, and a Krieger barrel!:D)

This goes to show that the heavy 30's are still very much a force to be reckoned with, and the BC of a heavy 30 caliber match bullet is superb. Our sport tends to be a bit of a game of "Follow the leader" and I wonder if this is going to shift the fad away from greasy 7mm's?
 
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With the availability of good .30 bullets, it's very possible. On the other hand an 8mm bullet which is allowed under the rules and say a 250gr variety would be real wind bucker, eh?
It always takes someone from the ranks to show up and turn heads. He showed a clear lead way ahead of the rest.
 
With the availability of good .30 bullets, it's very possible. On the other hand an 8mm bullet which is allowed under the rules and say a 250gr variety would be real wind bucker, eh?
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Indeed, however like 257 and 277 calibers, there is a very poor selection of match bullets.

Maybe we could adopt a K98 class just for fun?
 
SACRAMENTO VALLEY SHOOTING CENTER
F CLASS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2010
25-28 MARCH – 600/1000/1000 YARDS
‘F’ OPEN
2010 ‘F’ OPEN NATIONAL CHAMPION – DEREK RODGERS 1330 57X

HIGH WOMAN – BRENDA HILL 1302 31X

HIGH SENIOR – LARRY BARTHOLOME 1321 51X

HIGH GRAND SENIOR – DANNY BIGGS 1324 67

. . . .KEN DICKERMAN 447 21 438 15 440 21 1325 57 SILVER
. . . .DANNY BIGGS.. 446 23 437 23 441 21 1324 67 BRONZE
. . . .JEFF COCHRAN. 446 22 439 11 439 15 1324 48 4TH OVERALL
. . . .JEFF TRAYLOR. 446 22 435 13 442 16 1323 51 5TH OVERALL
. . . .RICK JENSEN.. 447 18 437 17 439 14 1323 49 6TH OVERALL

HIGH MASTER - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13

KEN DICKERMAN . .447 21 438 15 440 21 1325 57 6.5 - 284
DANNY BIGGS . . .446 23 437 23 441 21 1324 67 284
JEFF COCHRAN . . 446 22 439 11 439 15 1324 48 280
JEFF TRAYLOR. . .446 22 435 13 442 16 1323 51 280
RICK JENSEN . . .447 18 437 17 439 14 1323 49 6.5 - 284
CHARLES BALLARD .447 22 439 12 437 09 1323 43 284
DON NAGEL . . . .446 18 439 13 437 11 1322 42 6.5 - 284
LARRY BARTHOLOME 448 27 443 14 430 10 1321 51 6.5 - 284
SHIRAZ BALOLIA . 446 21 443 16 431 12 1320 49 6.5 - 284
DEAN MORRIS . . .446 27 434 18 438 12 1318 57 6.5 - 284
DAVID GOSNELL . .446 27 434 12 438 12 1318 51 6.5 - 284
DAVID MANN . . . 441 20 438 14 439 13 1318 47 6.5–300 SAUM
JIM FOWLER . . . 446 19 439 18 428 09 1313 46 6.5 - 284
PETER WHITE . . .447 23 437 11 428 12 1312 46 6 BRX
BRET SOLOMON . . 443 21 432 05 436 11 1311 37 300 WM
GARY CHILDS . . .446 17 434 09 430 05 1310 31 6.5 - 284
JOHN BREWER . . .441 22 437 15 431 08 1309 45 6.5 - 284
EARL LIEBETRAU . 444 19 433 13 432 11 1309 43 284
ROBERT MEAD . . .443 25 434 10 429 04 1306 39 6.5 - 284
WALTER LANGE . . 446 23 431 16 425 05 1302 44 ????
OTEY BRYAN . . . 440 14 429 10 433 14 1302 38 6.5 - 284
JIM MURPHY . . . 438 17 428 09 435 11 1301 37 6.5 - 284
KENNY ADAMS . . .439 16 425 08 434 11 1298 35 6.5 - 284
ROBERT BOCK . . .446 23 425 03 427 07 1298 33 6.5 - 284
JOHN CAMPBELL . .439 13 428 06 431 08 1298 27 ????
MATTHEW OWENS . .445 22 417 11 432 11 1294 44 6.5 - 284
ROBERT HOPPE . . 441 20 428 07 419 09 1288 36 ????
LOU MURDICA . . .441 22 424 05 423 06 1288 33 6 PPC
DARREN SUCATO . .438 13 428 06 422 05 1288 24 6 BR
STEVE GERACI . . 438 15 412 05 430 09 1280 29 6.5 - 284
RON HERMS . . . .426 18 417 05 430 12 1273 35 243

MASTER - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
GERALD TIERNEY . 444 15 438 11 441 16 1323 42 6.5 - 284
BRENDA HILL . . .438 12 437 12 427 07 1302 31 6.5 - 284
LARRY TAITE . . .440 13 424 10 437 16 1301 39 6.5 - 284
EMIL KOVAN . . . 444 15 433 16 423 09 1300 40 6.5 - 284
GEORGE GARDNER . 442 22 429 09 428 06 1299 37 270 WSM
THOMAS PRICE . . 436 10 428 08 434 13 1298 31 ????
HERB EDWARDS . . 439 13 423 18 435 15 1297 46 6.5 - 284
STEVE ZOCK . . . 439 11 424 07 433 09 1296 27 6.5 - 284
NANCY TOMPKINS . 440 17 424 07 428 10 1292 34 6.5 - 284
RICHARD DREGER . 440 19 421 12 428 09 1289 40 7-08
ANDY AMBER . . . 440 19 418 08 430 12 1288 39 6.5 - 284
DAVID BAILEY . . 443 19 419 07 426 08 1288 34 6.5 - 284
RICHARD CURTIS . 437 16 422 14 428 09 1287 39 6.5 - 284
TED CONWAY . . . 443 21 420 08 422 09 1285 38 6.5 - 284
KEITH SKJERDAL . 438 12 422 11 423 08 1283 31 6-250
ANTHONY DUNNE . .427 11 429 16 424 10 1280 37 7 WSM
GARY GAGLIANO . .428 04 421 10 429 08 1278 22 ????
JOE LINEHAN . . .439 14 418 07 418 03 1275 24 7 WSM
MARK ANTARAMIAN .438 10 422 05 414 04 1274 19 6 BR
KARIN LIEBETRAU .433 10 423 07 417 10 1273 27 22 - 250
PAOLO DONISI . . 421 15 420 05 431 11 1272 31 6 BRX
THOMAS MANNERS . 435 11 419 06 417 05 1271 22 6.5 - 284
TOM MCCREA . . . 428 09 414 07 416 04 1258 20 6 XC
DAVID CAUDLE . . 434 13 404 05 417 04 1255 22 6 BR
LES DOLHUN . . . 418 06 405 06 420 09 1243 21 6.5-300WSM
TOM FRIPP . . . .429 08 371 07 429 16 1229 31 6 BR
ERIC BISSON . . .433 13 400 07 285 06 1118 26 6 BRX
JOE MELIA . . . .422 05 320 01 000 00 0742 06 7 WSM

EXPERT - OPEN MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
CHRIS CUTHBERT . 445 21 415 07 435 11 1295 39 ????
STEVE LOCKWOOD . 438 12 424 11 433 12 1295 35 6 BR
ERIC KEYES . . . 433 19 427 07 433 12 1293 38 6.5 - 284
GLEN TAYLOR . . .422 14 435 14 432 14 1289 42 284
JACK MCCANN . . .433 14 430 10 422 08 1285 32 ????
WALLY LAURSEN . .436 13 410 06 433 09 1279 28 6 - 284
DEL HEWARD . . . 430 09 414 02 429 10 1273 21 6.5 Creedmoor
LUIS BERNARDEZ . 428 07 411 03 411 02 1250 12 243
TIM REYES . . . .422 10 405 03 421 08 1248 21 308
SCOTT FLECK . . .439 17 405 04 363 06 1207 27 6.5 - 284
ERIC KENNARD . . 428 07 370 05 403 03 1201 15 6.5 - 284

SS/MARKSMAN COMB. MATCH - 4 MATCH - 8 MATCH - 12 MATCH - 13
DEREK RODGERS . .446 24 439 13 445 20 1330 57 300 WSM
JOHN GAINES . . .442 13 416 12 429 12 1287 37 6.5 - 284
DAVID SMITH . . .433 10 411 05 431 10 1275 25 6 XC
BRUCE CONDIE . . 429 13 415 08 424 09 1268 30 6.5 - 284
IAN KELBLY . . . 440 14 426 09 402 05 1268 28 6.5 - 284
ERIC JOHNSON . . 437 16 391 02 289 07 1117 25 6 BR
 
I am now a recoil wuss and if it takes a 30cal magnum to play at 1000yds, I am going to be there for the BBQ - OUCH!!!!

What surprised me was the lack of true 7mm magnums. Lots of 284 based rifles but this is a relatively small case.

Why not a 7WSM or 280improved or something that can get the 180's easily to 3000fps? Barrels are going to get burnt up no matter what and for the top event in F class in the US, why worry about a few less rds?

It is wonderful that a newcomer did so well but I doubt he is a true newbie. As was said, if our Cdn shooters, and many many US shooters got bounced around, conditions must have been nasty.

The previous two years, the 284 and the 180's showed the way. That winner was also a newbie. I think that shooters came in 7th or something like that.

As we know there are nasty relays and then are there down right diabolical relays. Some top ranking shooters must have been blown off their targets.

At which point, I think a cold fusion laser is about the only thing that will work :)

Jerry

PS Obtunded, you made a comment about suitable ranges for us Western shooters to train on. That is absolutely bang on. I wonder what it will take to get a 900/1000yd range set up? Nudge, nudge wink, wink.
 
Jerry, I'm with you on the recoil. I am not lining up to build myself a 30 any time soon; I find the 6.5-284 bad enough for one string.

Dale Janzen makes 126 grain 6mm bullets.... I'd still love to scare a few top shooters with a 6mm :)

Looking at the equipment list, there is no doubt the 7mm is the new thing, (Although #1 was a 30 and #2 was a 6.5) and I was quite surprised at the lack of 7 RM's too, but in 32" barrels, the 284 IS getting to 3k, and the Shehane is doing it with 4831. It means I will reluctantly end up switching to a pedestal rest if I need that sort of hose.

When we go to the worlds in 2013, I am pretty much resigned to the 7mm Berger. (Unless my favorite bullet pimp started to bring in JLK's.... wink wink)

As to the range extension, That is Richard's baby, We need to jump all over him when he gets back. I think he has some good ammo to work with now.
 
I put together a LR plinker with a 7RM and 180gr Bergers over Retumbo. I am easily over 3000fps with a 26" barrel AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY NO FUN TO SHOOT AT 20LBS.

The rig now is ballasted up to a portly 35lbs and it is a nice push.

Having played with my version of the 280 AI (case capacity similar to the 7RSAUM), I really wonder how hot these 284's are running. I would definitely go with a larger case and save myself a whole whack of headaches.

200 less rds of accurate fire will mean absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of things. I bet alot of the 284's get real squirrly when they pass 2900fps.

But then, I would likely not survive the match shooting this monster unless I can come up with interesting recoil management engineering.

If I am going to need surgery after a match, I want 3050 to 3100fps with these 180's and yes, there is an accurate node going this fast and a 9 twist barrel.

We need a true 155gr 6.5mm VLD with a BC up there with the 7 and 30's. It can be done but wonder who will make them?

Sorry, but all these boutique US manf have no interest in jumping through the hoops for export. Many of the BIG companies can't be bothered either which really sucks.

Jerry

PS, Obtunded, ever consider the 6-284? Do the math on a 115gr VLD going 3200 to 3300fps. Yeah, puts a smile on your face. My 90gr 22/250 going 3200+fps is right there with a 284 at 2900fps - zip for recoil but brutal on pipes.
 
Holy Cow!
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Now I don't think I could ever quilify for an event like this but 1 day I sure would like to try.
 
They put Eric Bisson as a BRX when it was a Dasher and me as a 7-08 based on the brass we put in the box for a draw. I was actually shooting a 6BR up until the last 2 relays at 1000yds. I wasn't giving any of my coveted 6br brass for a draw so I used the cheap Win 7-08 brass i had formed to
6.5-08 HABU.

I wouldn't put too much faith in the caliber listings as they could have put anything they had with tem in the box as I did.
 
I keep thinking about the 7 SAUM. The .284- either standard or shehane seems to strain, and reports on the WSM sound like it's very high maintenance. Maybe the SAUM is the way to go to push the 180 Berger?
 
I think Al Warner was playing with the .30 WSM a decade ago or something similar when we all jumped on the 6.5x284 bandwagon. I don't think the 210grs were out then. B.C.'s are the ticket and it's how much recoil you can stand in a day will decide the outcome when muzzle brakes are not allowed.
 
Hey Jerry,

My buddy DonP is putting the final touches on two 6-284's. I am going to watch the grey clouds of vaporized barrel throat belch out with each shot. Should be fun! He has bought some of Dales 126's to try.

What twist are you using with your 90's in the 22-250? 22BR guys are having stellar results with 7", but I suspect you'd need less in a 22-250.

With Lapua brass available, this is definitely on my radar.
 
Yep, nice strong brass - yummy.

I went with a 7 twist but there are enough shooters in the 7.5 to 7.7 range that I don't think it really matters. Just don't get a slow 8twist.

My Shilen 8 twist is working just fine with the 90's and a 223 with only 22" barrel.

When I chose the 7 twist, my goal was to see if I could bust the bullets. These are pretty tough cause they are just bumbling along nicely at 3200fps out of a 28" barrel.

If I were to build another, it would be the 22/250AI. I hate sizing brass and the sloppy 22/250 stretches alot. The improved shoulder will be a very nice addition, give a whack more case capacity so that pressures can be kept very tolerable and still go over 3200fps.

I think this would belch as much steel as the 6-284.

6-284 will be very interesting. I figure get 3 barrels. One to experiment and figure out what's what. Use it for fireforming and general load work up - toast.

Second to actually shoot some matches and learn what went wrong.

Third to get comfy and go for it.

Likely all inside 4000rds :)

I can't handle the recoil so have to make it up with speed and lots of smooth bore barrels.

Jerry
 
Played with the 6-284 in four different rifles on and off from 1991 to 2003. Barrels lasted about 750 to 800 rounds while driving the crap out of everything from Hornady 87gr HPBT to 115 gr Bergers. Most frustrating calibre ever. Didn't really expect the 115 Bergers to shoot well out of a 8.5 twist MacLennan barrel but 20" plus groups were an eye opener. Best performers out of that barrel at 200 yds were a number of five shot groups under 0.15 MOA with the Hornady 87gr HPBT but then the next day the best it could do was 0.75 MOA (54.0 grs R22 @ 3420fps). Many Sierra and Lapua bullets also used.

Interesting calibre but frustrating and expensive. I'm glad its behind me.
 
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