USGI M1 Carbine

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USGI M1 Carbine - S.N. 3224927

Produced by Saginaw SG but falls within the second block of Irwin Pedersen guns that were supposed to be delivered before their contract was pulled (S.N. 3212520-3250019). For this reason a number of subcontracted parts can be observed (push button safety, barrel and sling swivel).

I'm especially fond of this one as it seems to be in its original wartime configuration with no signs of being tampered with.

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Very nice! :cool:

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None of the manufacturers made all the parts. Not at home so I can't tell you how many SG made, but don't bother looking for a completely SG made Carbine. They don't exist.
 
sunray said:
None of the manufacturers made all the parts. Not at home so I can't tell you how many SG made, but don't bother looking for a completely SG made Carbine. They don't exist.
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WRONG once again, yes the parts are completely interchangeable no matter on manufacture but to say not one manufacture made all their own parts and assembled their m1 is misleading and uninformative. I'm probably wasting my breath here as you've upped your post count and probably won't return.
 
Sunray is correct, just didn't explain very well. Not one of the manufacturers produced all of the parts "inhouse". All of them used sub contractors for some of the parts, with some sub contractors supplying parts for several carbine producers. However, all sub contracted parts, no matter who the sub contractor was, were required to be marked with a code of the carbine manufacturer which they were contracted for. Some manufacturers even used parts supplied from other manufacturers. Underwood, for example was the largest producer of barrels, and since not all manufacturers made their own barrels, they supplied at least 2 or 3 of the other manufacturers.

Larry Ruth's book on the M1 Carbine contains lots of this useful information, and is worth buying wherever you can find them.
 
Very nice looking Saginaw S’G’. When one sees a carbine in this good condition from 70 years ago, some would say no doubt that it has gone through a meticulous restoration of some sort. From the photos, it would appear to have all the correctly marked parts. It would be interesting to see the internal parts too. The cartouche and S’G’ marks on the stock look authentic, along with the safety and front sight stamped letters. Note the rear sight has been forced far to the left, which might indicate one has been replaced. It is hard to tell if this is a real or replica sight, pin staking looks correct, but font of the “R P” does not match other I-P and S’G’ carbines. The receiver looks like it has been re-parkerized. This would be the earliest Underwood barrel date in this S/N block too, as data from one source shows mostly 3-43 and 4-43 date stamps on UEF barrels around this S/N range. Both the first S/N block (1762520 – 1875039) and the second block (3212520 – 3250019) were built concurrently, as the production from Irwin-Pedersen shifted to Saginaw plant in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I have S’G’ 3224844 (and S’G’ 1832003), which is very close, probably stamped within an hour of this one 3224927, back in early 1943 at the Grand Rapids factory.
 
Manteo97 said:
Very nice looking Saginaw S’G’. When one sees a carbine in this good condition from 70 years ago, some would say no doubt that it has gone through a meticulous restoration of some sort. From the photos, it would appear to have all the correctly marked parts. It would be interesting to see the internal parts too. The cartouche and S’G’ marks on the stock look authentic, along with the safety and front sight stamped letters. Note the rear sight has been forced far to the left, which might indicate one has been replaced. It is hard to tell if this is a real or replica sight, pin staking looks correct, but font of the “R P” does not match other I-P and S’G’ carbines. The receiver looks like it has been re-parkerized. This would be the earliest Underwood barrel date in this S/N block too, as data from one source shows mostly 3-43 and 4-43 date stamps on UEF barrels around this S/N range. Both the first S/N block (1762520 – 1875039) and the second block (3212520 – 3250019) were built concurrently, as the production from Irwin-Pedersen shifted to Saginaw plant in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I have S’G’ 3224844 (and S’G’ 1832003), which is very close, probably stamped within an hour of this one 3224927, back in early 1943 at the Grand Rapids factory.
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I think the only problem with the parkerizing is the photos coming out dark. I like what I can see, including the slightly contrasting shades of parkerizing on the small parts. The early high-wood stock looks great and I like the cartouches, I have no problem with the barrel date.

Since you're willing to comment how this M1 Carbine might not be original, perhaps you will share with us some original M1 Carbines from your collection?

-Steve
 
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