Using 45 Colt in a Ruger .454

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I've been told it is not a good idea to shoot 45 Colt in my Ruger Super RedHawk .454. Supposed be be able to use either, however I've heard/read this a couple times now ... I have no idea on the validity of the sources ... anyone know about this?

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I don't see why it would be a problem, other than the fact that you might get enough carbon buildup that you would have to brush the chambers to prevent hard extraction with the longer cases.

With any sort of straight-walled, rimmed cases of the same dimensions except length, you can safely fire the shorter case in a longer chamber. Feeding might cause problems in some types of repeaters, though.
 
Why not try it and see for yourself? It is just like shooting 38spl in 357magnum chambers. Unless it is a safety issue like gun blowing up you are worried about, just go ahead and shoot 45LC in your 454.
 
I've read that the 45's will leave residue in the chamber that can cause the 454 cases to stick and can cause higher chamber pressures ... recently was told by someone at a local store that it could actually cause damage to the chamber ... so I just wanted to find out for sure and get some extra opinions.

Guess the lesson here is just to clean the chambers out good after shooting 45LC ... I'd rather know what I'm doing properly before just doing it. Thanks guys.

6Guin
 
I've read that the 45's will leave residue in the chamber that can cause the 454 cases to stick and can cause higher chamber pressures ... recently was told by someone at a local store that it could actually cause damage to the chamber ... so I just wanted to find out for sure and get some extra opinions.

Guess the lesson here is just to clean the chambers out good after shooting 45LC ... I'd rather know what I'm doing properly before just doing it. Thanks guys.

6Guin

Just clean the cylinders really well after firing the 45 colt loads. People shoot 38 spl. out of 357 mags all the time, as well as 44 russian, 44 special out of 44 mags. A bit of carbon build up may cause hard extraction on the longer cases, but if you clean your revolver properly, it won't be an issue.
 
Like a 38 SPL in a 357, less accurate.

I'm not sure I agree with this. I have watched PPC shooters shoot a group that makes me jealous with a 586 snubby with light WC 38s.

With a bull barrel and a rib sight its even better.
 
There are so many dimensional issues to consider when we are thinking about revolver accuracy that the actual cartridge length is the least of our problems. Perhaps the most critical dimension is the diameter of the chamber throat which the diameter of the bullet must match if good accuracy is to be achieved. If your bullet is too small to match the throat diameter, regardless of the bore diameter, accuracy will suffer. The gap between the cylinder and barrel can be tight on some guns and sloppy on others, but this seems to have a greater effect on velocity than on accuracy. The angle and length of the forcing cone effects accuracy, and best accuracy is achieved when the bullet has fully passed through the cylinder gap before it is engaged by the rifling. In any discussion concerning accuracy, the quality and diameter of the barrel can't be ignored, and finally is the issue of whether or not each chamber is perfectly aligned with the bore when the cylinder indexes.
 
or you can do what the majority of 44 mag shooters do- use the proper brass loaded to 45 colt levels- this negates the "crud ring" and the only extra expense incurred is the 454 brass- it's a REVOLVER, so you never actually "lose" brass unless you're too lazy to look for the round after you've knocked it off the table
 
That makes sense t-star ... been looking to get set up for reloading ... problem is I keep buying guns so I can never seeem to afford it!

Thanks guys, I think that clears it up for me. If anyone knows someone who reloads this calibre ... and might be willing to help me out, I'd be very appreciative!

Marlon

or you can do what the majority of 44 mag shooters do- use the proper brass loaded to 45 colt levels- this negates the "crud ring" and the only extra expense incurred is the 454 brass- it's a REVOLVER, so you never actually "lose" brass unless you're too lazy to look for the round after you've knocked it off the table
 
in what way? you use 45 colt dies but you turn the seater up by about a half to one turn if i remember correctly- you should be a ble to get brass from somebody like wholesale sports or whosever closest - be aware that the brass is going to be EXPENSIVE initally- bullets you can use any 45 colt bullet, and i'd try bullet barn in b/c- and the recepie is in most reloading manuals
 
in what way? ...

In the way that I currently don't own a press or any reloading equipment at all! lol I know I'll have to get into it if I want to shoot 454 alot and still be able to afford groceries! ... that'll be my next purchase possibly, unless I can find a good source of reloads.

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In the way that I currently don't own a press or any reloading equipment at all! lol I know I'll have to get into it if I want to shoot 454 alot and still be able to afford groceries! ... that'll be my next purchase possibly, unless I can find a good source of reloads.

6Gun
1 develop a TASTE for MAC AND CHEESE- and not the kraft stuff- the wal-mart stuff that's 50c a package- THE KRAFT IS A BUCK
2) BUY EVERYTHING YOU CAN IN bulk- currently i'm sitting on the makings for about 2000 plus rounds- primers if you can afford them in 1k or 5 k lots, bullets by the 1000, powder in the 8lb or 25 pound kegs- if you can still get them
3- get a 4 hole TURRET press- sure it takes longer, but everything else costs more in either time or money-
4 eat every SECOND day
learned that one in nam
5 use the car ONLY when necessary- bike or walk instead
6 haircut every SECOND month- you can shave with your knife
the big bores have an appitite for large amounts of powder as well as bullets, so use COWBOY loads - basically about 7 grains of 231 - unless you REALLY want to 'step on the gas " then use 296 or eqivilent- and your hand will be sore -
this ain't no 38 special, and you won't be able to shoot as much
forget about "going out" for at least a year
 
LOL, nuthin' wrong with mac & cheese! It's what helped me finance my alchohol budget thru university, so I'm familiar with the drill ... just a different vice this time! Thanks for the info, gives me a good start.

6Gun
 
I don't know how true it is, but I've heard guys online complain of extraction issues with big bore, high powered stuff after using any kind of "special" round. I read somewhere that using a shorter cartridge often in really high powered stuff causes extraction issues over the years because the powder can cause slight erosion of the cylinder from the lip of the smaller cartridge to the edge of the cylinder. What (supposedly) consequently happens is that the cylinder opens up a few thousandths of an inch from the edge of the shorter brass so when a longer magnum cartridge is put in and fired it tends to expand to the new wider diameter and consequently doesn't want to come out. Apparently, this phenomenon only occurs in really big bore high pressure stuff as the .357 and .44 magnums don't operate at a high enough pressure for this to occur with good brass. I don't know if there's any truth at all to this but I deliberately avoid using shorter cartridges in my big bore stuff just in case there's any truth to it. I'd rather just run light loads in the longer cartridge and not find out the hard way one day if it's true.
 
this is in a different gun ...but ...

i have a 1892 rossi lever rifle , chambered in 454 .

i regularly shoot winchester 45 colt cowboy action round through it ... recently i ran about a hundred rounds through it of 45 colt ....checked the chamber it look clean enough , then fired 20 rounds of 454 through it .

it ran like a flawless well oiled sewing machine.

the 454 brass looked good , no scratches or dents .

if i had a hand gun in 454 or even 460 , wouldn't hesitate to use the smaller lower power rounds with nothing more than a quick visual check of the chambers to see if everything is kosher ......

worse case senario , you take 30 seconds and brush out the cylinder .
 
Factory 45 Colt costs about $1.00/round so I am reloading using cast bullets for less than 10 cents/round... the bullet diameter is the same for .45ACP as .45Colt so I shoot the same bullets in a 1911 as an 1873 SAA..the accuracy is very good for both types of guns.
 
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