USPSA in Canada

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I would be interested to hear from those who have clubs in Canada affiliated with USPSA, how it works, how many members shoot the matches and such
 
You need like 10 club members to apply for affiliation. Generally those 10 should be also IPSC members and passed Black Badge course. The affiliation request used to go to the IPSC Canada regional director for sign off too. Most clubs only running uspsa matches, to help their members to get/update uspsa classification. And once in a while it's fun to shoot by a slightly different rules.

Burlington dropped affiliation and Peterborough affiliate couple years ago and hosted a few matches since then. It is based on the club member's interest...
 
RePete said:
Black badge is not required for USPSA. That's a Canadian money grab.
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It is a necessity to protect, organization, organization members and competitors, clubs and ROs from safety issues, as well as liability. And it is also required in order to have IPSC Canada regional director to sign off on the club affiliation. Similar courses and even stronger requirements do exist all over the world. IPSC HQ even working on a standardized instructor and member course.
 
Antoine22 said:
If you can't afford to spend $250 for the black badge course (that's what we pay here) then you should pick another sport/hobby.
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Not sure where $250 came from. The Ontario site says $220 if you do it in January as you pay pro-rated membership for the year.

We been trough this multiple times. This course cost is negligible, comparing to cost of ammo, guns, equipment, club membership, match fees and travel expenses. But even you will learn a few things at the course.
 
In the grand scheme of things the course cost is not that much but I see it as a huge barrier to entry. You have to decide that you want to shoot IPSC, and then take the course. In my opinion you should be allowed to shoot 1 or 2 Level 1 matches to decide if it’s the right discipline for you and then take the course.

As for everyone saying where is it written down that you need to take the Black Badge to compete in sanctioned USPSA matches in Canada, it’s not but it is that you need approval of your regional director, and it’s well known that your request for foreign affiliation will not be approved unless that condition is met.
 
.30/06 FTW said:
In the grand scheme of things the course cost is not that much but I see it as a huge barrier to entry. You have to decide that you want to shoot IPSC, and then take the course. In my opinion you should be allowed to shoot 1 or 2 Level 1 matches to decide if it’s the right discipline for you and then take the course.
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If you saw IPSC competition and still not sure if that thing is for you or not then shooting 1 or 2 Level 1 matches won't going to make difference. But allowing someone who got his RPAL a week ago into one of those matches is a slippery slope, which at minimum puts other competitors, ROs and spectators at risk.

Google "four stages of competence". The most alarming one is the "Unconscious incompetence" and BB course is helping you to get to 2nd or 3rd stage.
 
Antoine22 said:
If you can't afford to spend $250 for the black badge course (that's what we pay here) then you should pick another sport/hobby.
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I already spent my money over 20 years ago and was driven away by the attitudes of a black badge instructor and his cohort. Close to 15 years ago and I will spend more money to line someone else's jeans just to get get back into the game in Canada (Ontario).

I shoot USPSA instead. Less BS.
 
RePete said:
Black badge is not required for USPSA. That's a Canadian money grab.
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RePete said:
Where does it say that? Reference please.
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It's an IPSC rule.

6.5.1

6.5.1 All competitors and Match Officials must be individual members of the IPSC Region in which they normally reside. Residency is defined as the Region where the individual is ordinarily domiciled for a minimum of 183 days of the twelve months immediately preceding the month in which the match begins. Ordinarily domiciled conditio is a physical presence test and does not relate to citizenship or to any address of convenience. The 183 days need not be consecutive or the most recent 183 days of the twelve month period.

6.5.1.1 In any case, match organizers must not accept any competitor or Match Official from another Region unless the Regional Director of that Region has confirmed the competitor's or Match Official's eligibility to participate in the subject match, and that the competitor or Match Official is not under sanction from the IPSC Executive Council.

6.5.1. 2 Competitors who ordinarily reside in a country or geographical area which is not affiliated to IPSC may join an IPSC affiliated Region and may compete under the auspices of that Region, subject to the approval of the IPSC Executive Council and the Regional Director of that Region. If a competitor's country or geographical area of residence subsequently applies for affiliation to IPSC, the competitor must become a member of that Region during the affiliation process.​

<http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf>
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USPSA may or may not respect IPSC's rule. (While USPSA wishes to remain a member of IPSC, USPSA sometimes acts out of step, and then IPSC and USPSA butt heads.)

6.4.1

6.4.1 For Level II and higher competitions, all competitors must be individual members of USPSA, or a current member of their IPSC region. A competitor who submits a paid USPSA membership application to the Match Director or presents proof of online registration and payment as a new member prior to entering the competition is considered a member for the purpose of this rule.

<https://uspsa.org/documents/rules/2019_USPSA_Competition_Rules.pdf>
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euxx said:
If you saw IPSC competition and still not sure if that thing is for you or not then shooting 1 or 2 Level 1 matches won't going to make difference. But allowing someone who got his RPAL a week ago into one of those matches is a slippery slope, which at minimum puts other competitors, ROs and spectators at risk.

Google "four stages of competence". The most alarming one is the "Unconscious incompetence" and BB course is helping you to get to 2nd or 3rd stage.
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I wholeheartedly disagree. Everyone is different. Some people see one YouTube video and they’re hooked. Others see the cost of the course and the gear and shoot IDPA or similar disciplines instead, and just need that one experience to see the light and realize how great it is. Others will flat out refuse to put up any cash for something they don’t get to try themselves beforehand, but once they get a chance to try it they don’t want to do anything else.

Just because someone is new to IPSC doesn’t mean they got their RPAL a week ago. It could be someone who has shot other disciplines for years safely, it could be someone who has little experience but has demonstrated they can listen to instructions and do things safely. ROs should be able to quite easily determine that.

Don’t get me wrong, I see the value in proper training and proving competence, but other countries shoot IPSC without Black Badge courses and the sky hasn’t fallen. It should be a requirement but not for your first match. I just can’t comprehend how people don’t realize the requirement of the Black Badge course from the start hurts the growth of the sport, especially in smaller markets.
 
.30/06 FTW said:
I wholeheartedly disagree. Everyone is different. Some people see one YouTube video and they’re hooked. Others see the cost of the course and the gear and shoot IDPA or similar disciplines instead, and just need that one experience to see the light and realize how great it is. Others will flat out refuse to put up any cash for something they don’t get to try themselves beforehand, but once they get a chance to try it they don’t want to do anything else.

Just because someone is new to IPSC doesn’t mean they got their RPAL a week ago. It could be someone who has shot other disciplines for years safely, it could be someone who has little experience but has demonstrated they can listen to instructions and do things safely. ROs should be able to quite easily determine that.

Don’t get me wrong, I see the value in proper training and proving competence, but other countries shoot IPSC without Black Badge courses and the sky hasn’t fallen. It should be a requirement but not for your first match. I just can’t comprehend how people don’t realize the requirement of the Black Badge course from the start hurts the growth of the sport, especially in smaller markets.
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Agree 100%. I enjoy shooting with my wife,, when we decided to try competitive shooting we went with IDPA not IPSC absolutely because of the " Black Badge" requirement. Two days of our lives, $500 for both of us plus what, 1000 rounds of ammo? Then you have to shoot a minimum number of events and requalify how often? I could be wrong, but I see it as nothing but a cash grab and it definitely turned me away from IPSC . I know for a fact the BB course hurt the growth of IPSC in my case
 
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