Value of a Flash Hider/Muzzle Break

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My question is pertaining to aftermarket or USGI flash hiders and/or muzzle breaks, and whether they are a necessary or worthwhile investment. But first a bit of background: I got my PAL mid-summer of this year, and promptly purchased a Norinco M305 (22" if it makes any difference). I made that choice full well knowing it would be a project gun; I love to tweak and tinker so it seemed like a fairly obvious choice to me - in addition to the fact I've always been attracted to the M14 platform. My long-term goal is to eventually replace almost every Norinco part on the rifle until only the receiver and barrel are original (give or take). So far my alterations/upgrades are as follows:

S&J Hardware M14 Op Rod Spring Guide & Spring
Boyds M1A Walnut Stock
Sadlak M14 Heavy duty Front Rail (intend to sometime scope and bipod the rifle)
Gunsmith work: trigger job, barrel indexing

Future plans include but are not limited to:
NM Front and Rear sights
M14.ca Scout Hand Guard
M14.ca NORG

The next step is to have the gas system unitized by Casey at Tactical Ordnance. In realizing this would require removal of the stock Flash Hider, I got to thinking about replacing it all together, which brings me to my question. I understand no one can properly convey to me the pros and cons of doing just that, like decreased felt recoil, increased muzzle blast, etc, and that those are things I will just have to experience myself, but my question is: what are your experiences with aftermarket flash hiders and muzzle breaks? Pros and cons? What make and model do you have experience with? Do you feel it was worth the cost in the long run?

I am open to any suggestions, recommendations and any advice on the matter. I'm trying to soak up as much information as possible.
 
Muzzle brakes definitely to reduce the recoil and to get back to sight picture right away. A lot less time figuring out where the target is after the shot. I picked up one for 308 similar to what Col Mustard have online. It does the job and worth it. There's a few utube vids you can look up that illustrates performance before and after installation of muzzle brakes.
 
I have the 18.5" M305, without a muzzle brake. I find recoil to be manageable on it's own, especially if you replace the steel buttplate with something softer.

That said, you'll get a lot of guys saying it really helps, etc, and as many guys telling you how unpopular you'll be with your fellow shooters because of the noise.
 
So a muzzle break is really THAT much louder then? I intend to hunt with the rifle at some point, maybe shooting with a muzzle break isn't the best for that since ear-pro is kind of lacking in a hunting scenario?
 
I have the smith Enterprizes brake and like it - easy to switch flash hider back for hunting. The muzzle still moves a bit but much less for follow up shots noise isn't bad behind the gun , felt recoil is minor .With this brake you re- use the castle nut and front sight insert - so the barrel threads would have to be the same ( don't know if they are ) . I also have their scope mount ,front rail and bipod which I really like - top quality stuff IMO
 
I have the smith Enterprizes brake and like it - easy to switch flash hider back for hunting. The muzzle still moves a bit but much less for follow up shots noise isn't bad behind the gun , felt recoil is minor .With this brake you re- use the castle nut and front sight insert - so the barrel threads would have to be the same ( don't know if they are ) . I also have their scope mount ,front rail and bipod which I really like - top quality stuff IMO

That's the exact break I was looking at. Where in Canada can I procure one? Also should I expect a POI shift switching muzzle devices? (I imagine not...)
 
Well someone I know *wink wink* is testing a prototype brake that threads on directly to the stock barrel threads and its got the felt recoil of a .223. But yeah, the blast is pretty nuts.
 
I'm pretty new at this,but isn't the M305 sporting some funky metric thread pitch?Or did I get some bad information on this?Cause I was told that an M-14 flash hider wouldn't fit on an M305...?

Sorry if that was a bit of a hijack.

Scott
 
I'm pretty new at this,but isn't the M305 sporting some funky metric thread pitch?Or did I get some bad information on this?Cause I was told that an M-14 flash hider wouldn't fit on an M305...?

Sorry if that was a bit of a hijack.

Scott

It may or may not dependant on the tolerances of the threads involved. But the M305 does have a metric thread
 
I'm pretty new at this,but isn't the M305 sporting some funky metric thread pitch?Or did I get some bad information on this?Cause I was told that an M-14 flash hider wouldn't fit on an M305...?

Sorry if that was a bit of a hijack.

Scott

The castle nut that secures the flash hider is differently threaded for M14 vs M305.

This means you can use a US/M14 flash hider and secure it with your norinco castle nut.

Unfortunately, the tiny screw that secures the castle nut also has different threading between the two flash hiders, so if you get a US flash hider you need that tiny screw as well.
 
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Norinco rifles are m15 x.75p. If I remember correctly the American ones are are .595 x 32?
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By the way, OP, did you notice that those who answered described a "brake"; whereas you were asking about a "break".

Brake, as in stop or slow down.

Not break, as in broken.

Yes, a brake makes it much noisier. Maybe painfully so.

I use brakes on competition guns because they work and I wear muffs. If I took the same gun hunting, I would swap out the brake and go bare or maybe a linear comp.
 
By the way, OP, did you notice that those who answered described a "brake"; whereas you were asking about a "break".

Brake, as in stop or slow down.

Not break, as in broken.

Apologies, spelling is not my strongest skill, if the spell checker doesn't correct it, I don't notice. Thanks for letting me know though, I'll try to remember the distinction.

Back on topic though,

The castle nut that secures the flash hider is differently threaded for M14 vs M305.

This means you can use a US/M14 flash hider and secure it with your norinco castle nut.

Unfortunately, the tiny screw that secures the castle nut also has different threading between the two flash hiders, so if you get a US flash hider you need that tiny screw as well.

Thanks for the information. How does this, if at all, apply to the smith enterprises muzzle brake? I take it I would need that tiny screw then? Any clue were I could get such a thing?
 
Forgive me, but why does it not use the castle nut? The first image (Part # 2001) on the page I linked looks to me like it would, and now that I look closer that it also has the castle nut set screw.
 
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