varget /150 30-06

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hey fellas, my online an woodleigh manual shows data around 47-51gr for 2208 aka Varget loads with 150gr projies.

a bloke sent me a quick load an it showed the G O is at like 56.5 gr........... this seems excessive- but what is everyones thuoughts here???
 
Well, you know this already, start low, work your way up and look for pressure signs.

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Hmmm just checked my manual and cant find varget mentioned for any bullet weight for th aught-six

Lee says 51 max. Probably due to older rifles still in use
 
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nah im doing that LOL- waste of bullets for hunter like myself- safety in mind yes wise to start way down low........ modern rifle, modern action, modern metals, itl hand enough as i wont be goin toooooo LRG with the powder intake !

nah, you;re right- i will be loading down a little an working up a little more but im thinkin around 50gr start up to 53 for starters in 1gr increase.
 
Ganderite said:
I assume it is a bolt rifle?

Most rifles max out with about 50 gr of 2208, although 51 may not show pressure signs.

2209 works well in 3006 bolt rifles, too.
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hey Gander- this cant be too right can it?
its a Marlin Xl7....... yet it come to my attention i have a very small Throat-------- which is easily over come. which does mean with anything bigger than 150gr the projie will be using ups available powder space--- no biggy yet.

So i loaded 50gr Varget and 150gr to a shorter than standard coal.................
an also 52Gr of Varget and 150gr to that same coal...

its 'consistant' but its just not tight with those trial charges.

dilemma

48gr of Varget was OK at 100m and 'not bad' at 300m where i tested for drop an printed a 1.5inch 'group' out yonder....... amazing for me but regardless my point is- accubond were accurate..
i may of been jamming the accubond into the rifling or near close too it, looking back. some primers were 'out' a little bit which i put down to 'not enough pressure' from the charge with whatever tolerances inside------- Hndsight : this may be due to projectile touching the rifling??? is that ccorrect- an on firing there is some pressure backwards?

Anywho Im leaven those Accubonds for a rainy day an emergency stash of Loaded ammo etc............


Woodleighs- 150gr PP and my Marlin............

its shooting right around 2 inches at 100m , my trial tests showed the 50gr a little bit tighter than the 52gr................

primers are still not 'flat' or showing too much pressure on that aspect.....

i will attatch photo of Seated bullet an throat length shortly.......... Not sure what to do? Load again lower 48-49 region, or perhaps put a little more in an see if it can tighten?

whole moral of story is- i dont want to waste 40 woodleighs doin ladder tests etc, 1.5 inch is GOOD for my hunting, 1 inch be ideal and 2 inch if sh!t happens LOL

Thoughts you blokes?
Cheers from Aus
WL
 
Not much in there for heavy bullet profiles hey?

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Do you know a gunsmith or someone with a throating reamer. It would be easy to take the action out of the stock and then touch the throat by hand and give yourself some more room.

I would consider 52 gr of 2208 to be a bit hot with a 150gr. 48 to 50 is about right.
 
Ganderite said:
Do you know a gunsmith or someone with a throating reamer. It would be easy to take the action out of the stock and then touch the throat by hand and give yourself some more room.

I would consider 52 gr of 2208 to be a bit hot with a 150gr. 48 to 50 is about right.
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hey Gander,
i do know a bloke , whos mate is a backyard gunsmither an they shoot f class an fly an all that jazz in competition , i would be confident with any work they did for me, mates rates too generally.


ive been tryin to find online what the average 30-06 throat dimension is.

i have been thinkin about it and with use of 150s strictly, an using Varget exclusively, the shorter overall length sort of helps load density although im sure with 50 -+ gr of powder there is no problemo with lack of powder ignition/burn.

goin to shoot a 49gr load today actually and get a ball park from there, will check back in
 
Quick and dirty load development.

Load one cartridge each from about 47 to 53-54 or so. Label them all with a marker or in your case a texter. Ideally they would be in new brass. I start lightly touching the lands if they will fit in the mag, or 20-30 thou shorter than the mag if they won't.

Shoot them from bottom load to top, until you either have a slightly sticky bolt or an ejector mark. Those are excess pressure signs that are past wondering about. Quit there and pull down anything hotter.

Back off two full grains and that's your comfortable working maximum. Load ten of those and see what they do. They'll either be good enough or they won't.
 
WhelanLad said:
hey Gander,
i do know a bloke , whos mate is a backyard gunsmither an they shoot f class an fly an all that jazz in competition , i would be confident with any work they did for me, mates rates too generally.


ive been tryin to find online what the average 30-06 throat dimension is.

i have been thinkin about it and with use of 150s strictly, an using Varget exclusively, the shorter overall length sort of helps load density although im sure with 50 -+ gr of powder there is no problemo with lack of powder ignition/burn.

goin to shoot a 49gr load today actually and get a ball park from there, will check back in
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It is difficult to imagine a case capacity issue in a 30-06 using 150s and 2208. But if the bullets are seated to below the shoulder, I would throat it a bit.
 
Dogleg said:
Quick and dirty load development.

Load one cartridge each from about 47 to 53-54 or so. Label them all with a marker or in your case a texter. Ideally they would be in new brass. I start lightly touching the lands if they will fit in the mag, or 20-30 thou shorter than the mag if they won't.

Shoot them from bottom load to top, until you either have a slightly sticky bolt or an ejector mark. Those are excess pressure signs that are past wondering about. Quit there and pull down anything hotter.

Back off two full grains and that's your comfortable working maximum. Load ten of those and see what they do. They'll either be good enough or they won't.
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ha ha The Texta!
Yeah i like this approach for a Quick and Dirty Development!

i shot two charges at the same target, from my poi with 150AB (48g) the other charges were Higher, 50 and 52gr that was cool too see, the windage was still good, but the faster it went the higher it printed- i didnt think 52gr was showing any signs tbh, you could see the primers were starting to flatten an fill up the pocket but 2 inch group wasnt ideal. perhaps its a gr or two from that higher accuracy node!
on the flip side the 48-49 area may be nice in the mellow accuracy node.... hmmmmmmmm

cheers Doggleg
 
to update this thread im about finished with delayed development on the 150gr woodleighs pp , varget and sellier bellot brass

I went up to around 52gr but wasnt happy at all, seemed to have pressure an fairly large group sizes, so the next time round i dropped down to a similiar charge as the Accubond loading (48gr) which i plucked from thin air early on to use up the 20 odd accubonds i had. im sure i mentioned this :)

So i went to 49gr and shot 3 rounds today for my huntng needs, i printed 1.5 with one shot i knew was to the Right at release..

from my Bullseye ths load is 4 inches high at 100meters and i rekon my Accubonds are around 2 inches high at 100m, so i feel like its a little faster in FPS but not by much...

So i am going to be happy with 49gr 2208 in S&B brass launching the Woodleigh 150grainers for my 2019 adventures :)

appreciate everyone help with my Queries on this matter and i look forward to sharing some hunts with you in near future
 
I finally figured out that Texta is a brand name. Yawl was saying Texta when everyone without an Aussie accent was wondering how a marker had become a texter. The universe is starting to make sense now. :) Best day eva!

Don't get me started on my marina/merino story.:)
 
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Well 51gr of IMR 4895 in Win brass and Fed mag primers cuts 1/2" groups at 100 yards at 2949fps pushing a Barnes 150gr TSX out of a T3. Moose don't like this one bit.
 
I am working up a .30-06 Barnes 150gr TTSX load in my Tikka T3 Hunter. I have been up as far as 52.5 gr Varget with average velocity 2972fps with no excessive pressure signs but recoil is picking up some at that grain weight. Federal once fired brass and CCI Large rifle primers. Not sure if that helps any.
 
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