Vector Arms RPD?
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I wanted to bring one in but the RCMP techs told me it was manufactured untill 1946
bottom line is RCMP says 5 rnds on these belts so its rather pointless to bring one in Plus i beleve with the gov not testing any corrosive ammo anymore the days of cheap 7.62x39 are over
IF ANY of the origional reciever pieces are used in these builds RCMP says its converted Auto (many of the U.S semi autos use rewelded FA recievers/pieces of recievers)
gun must also be "not readily convertable to FA" which means orig FA parts cannot not just fit it
bottom line is RCMP says 5 rnds on these belts so its rather pointless to bring one in Plus i beleve with the gov not testing any corrosive ammo anymore the days of cheap 7.62x39 are over
IF ANY of the origional reciever pieces are used in these builds RCMP says its converted Auto (many of the U.S semi autos use rewelded FA recievers/pieces of recievers)
gun must also be "not readily convertable to FA" which means orig FA parts cannot not just fit it
The RCMP would say anything, and so proving them wrong is the joy-joy in this story.
This can be documented. There are original manuals out there, somewhere. And the designer, Vasily Alexseyevich Degtyarev, is well documented, having the Order of Lenin and so forth. Vasily Degtyarev was the one to head the first Soviet firearms design bureau. He has created several types of machine guns, submachine guns and anti-tank guns.
Vasily Alekseyevich Degtyarev was born on January 2, 1880, Tula and died on January 16, 1949, Moscow. Was a Russian weapons designer, Major General of the Engineering and Artillery Service, Doctor of Technical Sciences (1940), and Hero of Socialist Labor (1940). He became a CPSU member in 1941.
The Degtyarev RPD project actually began in 1943. The approved working models came early in 1944.
This can be documented. There are original manuals out there, somewhere. And the designer, Vasily Alexseyevich Degtyarev, is well documented, having the Order of Lenin and so forth. Vasily Degtyarev was the one to head the first Soviet firearms design bureau. He has created several types of machine guns, submachine guns and anti-tank guns.
Vasily Alekseyevich Degtyarev was born on January 2, 1880, Tula and died on January 16, 1949, Moscow. Was a Russian weapons designer, Major General of the Engineering and Artillery Service, Doctor of Technical Sciences (1940), and Hero of Socialist Labor (1940). He became a CPSU member in 1941.
The Degtyarev RPD project actually began in 1943. The approved working models came early in 1944.
The fact that I don't have an RPD has nothing to do with the classification of the Vector Arms RPD.koalorka said:
Your cause and effect example of the semi-auto MP5 being prihibtied, therefore the semi-auto RPD is prohibted is where I have a problem. The MP5 is prohibited by name, therefore any MP5 variant is prohibited. Hence the reason the semi-auto versions are prohibited.
The RPD is not named in any prohibitions.
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The RPD IS prohibited because in its original form, it's an automatic-only firearm. It doesn't have to be named individually as a prohib (like the MP5 in later amendments made to the definition). So the comparison is valid.
koalorka said:
Just because a gun has an original FA form is no proof of prohibition, just look at the VZ58.
contact148 said:
Then I would refer back to the VZ58. If the receiver was never assembled FA, then it was never FA.
Seriously, quite while you are ahead.koalorka said:
Yes it is prohibited in it's full auto-form, that goes with out saying. How ever, that does not make every and all forms of the RPD prohibited. As it is not specifically named in an OIC as prohibited, if it was semi-auto and the barrel over 18.5", it would be non-restricted.
koalorka said:
You're wrong; look at the semi-only versions of the MG-34, the Browning 1919, and even the Browning M2HB, all of which are legal in Canada. The reason the MP-5s are prohib is because the legislation says "and variants" when it prohibited the MP-5/HK 94 by name.
Bottom line is this
IF the GUN is named or "any variants their of" it matters NOT if its semi auto only its STILL prohib
MP5 was FA the HK 94 was the semi auto only version MP 5 and variants are NAMED as prohibs so are banned forever in any form
Most fullautos are not specifically named (1919,mg34,mg42 m2 ect)
so if it was built on a newly made semi auto reciever NOT useing pieces of the origional reciver and NOT able to fit fullauto parts with out extensive machineing then the gun would be classed restricted or none depending on length
look at the prohib list if the gun is not named or a vatriant of a named gun and is newly made semi auto try and import it RCMP will test fire it and see if its 'readily" able to convert to FA if not your good to go the gun gets registered and transfered to you
I have been working on importing new made gun semi auto only its a LONG process RCMP have been very good to deal with Ive learned alot and even if this does not work out for me id try it again if i was not broke
IF the GUN is named or "any variants their of" it matters NOT if its semi auto only its STILL prohib
MP5 was FA the HK 94 was the semi auto only version MP 5 and variants are NAMED as prohibs so are banned forever in any form
Most fullautos are not specifically named (1919,mg34,mg42 m2 ect)
so if it was built on a newly made semi auto reciever NOT useing pieces of the origional reciver and NOT able to fit fullauto parts with out extensive machineing then the gun would be classed restricted or none depending on length
look at the prohib list if the gun is not named or a vatriant of a named gun and is newly made semi auto try and import it RCMP will test fire it and see if its 'readily" able to convert to FA if not your good to go the gun gets registered and transfered to you
I have been working on importing new made gun semi auto only its a LONG process RCMP have been very good to deal with Ive learned alot and even if this does not work out for me id try it again if i was not broke
