Very Clean Ammo

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I tried some Federal American Eagle in the 9mm last week at the range and the fired brass looks new and unfired it is so clean inside. When the spent primers were removed there was some deposit in the pocket that came out with the reamer very easily leaving them looking almost as good. I am curious, as a reloader, what powder and primers one would use to get these results with your own loads. I have never experienced this phenomenon before. Any ideas?

On another note, the Norinco ammo in the .45 is the dirtiest ammo I have ever experienced. Notwithstanding the corrosive mil surp stuff in 7.62x39.
 
it's the primers, federal and Winchester both use them, but i don't think they are the same powder. i would love to buy them, even at $40/1000, maybe even $45.
 
If I can remember right the primers are lead free but I can only assume that it's the combination of the primer and powder that keeps everything so clean. I've used some of that winclean 9mm ammo and the brass is as shiny on the inside of a fired case as it is on the outside of a new piece of brass. I sure would like to know what powder they use and if it is available to anyone. It keeps your pistol a heck of a lot cleaner and would be a good option for reloading indoor ammo.
 
Both companies sell lead free ammo using primers that are...lead free. I know CCI and Federal are owned by the same parent company, although the primers are made in two different plants. I have no idea who owns or manufactures the Winchester brand. Hogdon now owns the Winchester branded powder.


Take Care

Bob
 
I don't find Norinco 45 to be any dirtier than other ammo... and I've shot a lot of it.

Shoot some Wolf LRN and see how you like it. Dirtiest ammo I've ever seen, cloud of smoke.
 
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I'm pretty sure that they are using proprietory powder and primers that aren't available for sale.

Would be nice though. I like the idea of something that clean but am seldom willing to pony up the $$ for even cheap factory ammo.
 
That's funny, I fired a bunch out of an MP5K and a Colt AR subgun in Florida the other week, and that stuff was filthy. I have seen the clean stuff though. I did some loads with Blue Dot that were very clean, but I had a very tight crimp on them, subsequent loads were not as clean with less crimp.
 
I have used PMC eRange and Winchester Winclean at indoor ranges. For both, the fired brass is surprisingly clean, looking ready for reload. I too would love to know which powder they use. Probably a proprietary powder not yet available to reloaders. Tagged for interest.
 
Speer Lawman vs Winchester white box

I was very suprised at how clean the Lawman ammo is.



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Tazzy said:
Speer Lawman vs Winchester white box

I was very suprised at how clean the Lawman ammo is.



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Thanks for posting pictures. That is an exact representation of what I am talking about. Also, I reload for several rifle calibers, using many different kinds of powder, but only Winchester primers. ALL my rifle cases look like the one on the right no matter the powder chosen. There must be some uber clean primers and powder out there somewhere, and, as some have mused above, wouldn't it be nice to have it available? With the case pictured above on the left all one needs do is deprime and clean the pocket and then resize and load. With a carbide die there isn't even any lubing required. Nice.

BTW, the American Eagle ammo I was referring to was purchased quite economically in bulk from a supporting dealer on CGN.
 
Some lead-free primers have barium and antimony, which is not much safer than lead [styphnate]. But the exposure you'll get from this--in an outdoor, or well-ventilated range--is negligible compared to, say, a house with old solder in the pipes. Not to mention the fantastically heavy (and completely 'safe,' according to Health Canada) exposure to mercury that most of us have had from amalgum filings. Wash your hands after shooting, before eating finger-foods, and you'll be okay.

I'm aware of the experiences of reloaders with Unique and 9x19, who say that it's very dirty.
 
The trick is to find a powder, weight, and power combo that burns efficiently. It takes some experimentation.

I can tell you what burns clean in my guns, but not your guns. I kind of load for clean myself.

Enough reloadings is going to eventually foul your brass no matter what you run, unless you tumble.

In my M&P9, I get good results from Power Pistol, using 115g CMJ Bullets, and CCI Primers.

I find clean comes from running mid hot loads. If it's too mild, it's a dirty burn.
 
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