Vet bring back Japanese Type 99 Last ditch rifle in excellent condition with bayonet

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I picked one of these up the other day from a old retired vet and was wondering if they are collectable, I have never been interested in these Jap rifles before but got it because it was in such nice shape and all the others I have ever seen were really beaten up with poor bores and ground off MUM's!

This one has an excellent bore (may be Chrome lined as it looks so nice) and great bayonet and a nice stock with the MUM still in place. I'm still debating if I keep it or throw it up on the EE, what does everybody think about these rifles? it looks like it is in very nice shape with not too bad machining and finish (better than wartime Mosins so must be a early Last ditch rifle) and should shoot well with such a nice bore!

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Absolutely! I will even go so far as to say that any "bring back" is collectible. That one looks great...........almost too good!
 
Thanks everyone except the fellow offering $50 for it, LOL :slap: unless that offer was for just the bayonet!

I figured it might be collectable because of the excellent condition and all, but I'm now leaning on selling it on the EE as after second sober thought I realised I don't need to take on another calibre in my collection as I only tend to keep guns I can shoot!

The reason I asked was I basically wanted to see if these Jap bring back rifles had any interest among other collectors before I listed it for sale on the EE or before I called a guy I know who tends to buy any real nice milsurp rifle's I find.

Also I have no paperwork on it and I'm not going to say it was taken from some dead Jap's hands, all I know is that the previous owner told me he has had it since the early 1980's when he acquired it and that he never shot it.
 
jbmauser said:
There was probably 30 of these at the SOS.
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Just for interest googled the Show of Shows Arisaka and got this posting from 2008 on another forum -

"I would say 300-400 for the 99 if every thing matches and about the same for the carbine if every thing matches.

The show of shows prices on arisakas were NUTS!!!!! There were mismatches for 300, I saw a mismatch/refinished rifle with a mismatched dust cover for 400 dollars just because it had the mum on it, the show of shows prices arent representative of arisaka prices."

For you guys who went recently how much were they asking or going for?
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I for example have always wanted a Solid Japanese rifle, you can sell it and make a definite profit.

Id keep it, reload light loads and love it my whole life.

Cool ass rifle!
 
hey very nice last ditch rifle you have.. looks like a Toyo Kogyo but it's hard to tell which series it is from (the symbol before the numbers)..
I bought my type 99, made in March-ish 1944 ( my first axis rifle) a couple months ago on EE and really like it. The wood stock on mine is really beat up but i figure those are all "beauty marks" . I have yet to shoot mine, due to no ammo.. congrats on yours..
 
Thanks everyone for your input, I have done some more research this morning myself on these and it appears that most of these for sale are in the USA and prices are surprising for nice examples with unground MUM's like this one, I may be keeping it now that I know they are this collectable here as well and if I change my mind it will go up on the EE.
 
johg2 said:
hey very nice last ditch rifle you have.. looks like a Toyo Kogyo but it's hard to tell which series it is from (the symbol before the numbers)..
I bought my type 99, made in March-ish 1944 ( my first axis rifle) a couple months ago on EE and really like it. The wood stock on mine is really beat up but i figure those are all "beauty marks" . I have yet to shoot mine, due to no ammo.. congrats on yours..
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Here are some better pics from my crappy camera of the serial number and makers marks, the bayonet has no serial number stamped on it -

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thanks for better photos.. so it looks like your rifle is from the 35 series and the bayo is made by National Denki under Kokura supervision, according to this one website i use for info.. oldmilitarymarkings.com/Japanese_markings, which says it is adapted from Duncan McCollum's book on Japanese rifles.
 
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thanks for better photos.. so it looks like your rifle is from the 35 series and the bayo is made by National Denki under Kokura supervision, according to this one website i use for info.. oldmilitarymarkings.com/Japanese_markings, which says it is adapted from Duncan McCollum's book on Japanese rifles.
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Thanks for that link, so this rifle was made in Hiroshima just before the bomb by what would become Mazda! Cool, even though I prefer Honda's over Zoom Zoom!

History

Mazda began as the Toyo Cork Kogyo Co., Ltd, founded in Hiroshima, Japan in 1920. Toyo Cork Kogyo renamed itself to Toyo Kogyo Co., Ltd. in 1927. In the late 1920s the company had to be saved from bankruptcy by Hiroshima Saving Bank and other business leaders in Hiroshima.[SUP][8][/SUP]
In 1931 Toyo Kogyo moved from manufacturing machine tools to vehicles with the introduction of the Mazda-Goautorickshaw. Toyo Kogyo produced weapons for the Japanese military throughout the Second World War, most notably the series 30 through 35 Type 99 rifle. The company formally adopted the Mazda name in 1984, though every automobile sold from the beginning bore that name.
 
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