Video from England, K31 with vintage scope on Swiss Products clamp-on mount.
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That setup certainly looks the business doesn't it?
I'd love to hear more details about that scope.
I.M.Fletcher
I'd love to hear more details about that scope.
I.M.Fletcher
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Awesome! I just mounted my bushnell 3200 and I'm posting pics.
What scope is he using? That looks like it fits the bill, as stated.
What scope is he using? That looks like it fits the bill, as stated.
Winston Churchill would turn over in his grave if he knew about how Britons have lost their freedom. Rule Britannia lyrics say that Britons never never never shall be slaves. Sorry to contradict but....
To all of those who either didn't know, didn't care, or who have not been reading my posts for the last couple of years - a few facts - and right now, if there is one flame, I'm off [I've put up with enough insulting crap on this subject answering the thread about the TA sergeant getting jail-time for illegal guns and ammo]
YES, you CAN have guns in UK -
1. Shooting sports are the biggest growing sports in the UK, with over 40,000 noobs applying for firearms certificates in 2011 alone.
2. Last year shooters and associated business put almost $5BILLION into the UK economy.
3. You can have -
a. ANY Black powder rifle or smooth-bore - loose or cartridge - up to 2" bore [such as a punt gun].
2. ANY manually-operated centre-fire nitro-propellant long arm [the UK .50cal Shooter's Association is the largest anywhere outside the USA].
a. This includes ANY and ALL 'black rifle' look-alikes - except that centre-fire semi-autos are not permitted after a massacre in 1988] - all 'black rifle/semi-auto lookalikes' are actually straight-pull versions to comply with the law after the 1988 Hungerford Massace - 16 dead and 30+ injured.
3. Any loose-loading BP handgun - pistol or revolver.
4. ANY rimfire rifle or carbine of any kind - including all the 'black stuff'.
Any shotgun of any kind - Practical shotgun is VERY popular here in UK - my own club has around 50 members who do this.
All on an ordinary gun license [called an FAC or ticket, here, the equivalent of the PAL]. You can have a shotgun licence at age 14, BTW but you can shoot on your own land as young as you can do it safely. Once you have a shotgun licence you can have any number of SXS or OAU shotguns on it, but you need a Section 1 licence for a shotgun that shoots thre or more rounds, just like a rifled arm. A pal of mine has about 150 shotguns - he likes them.
In England, Scotland or Wales you may NOT have ANY cartridge-firing handgun except by special licence [rare]. This follows the 1996 massacre of sixteen 1st grade school kids and their teacher by a Scottish paedophile in Dunblane, said to be the buttock-pal of the then-Chief Constable of the region - hence his retention of a gun collection in spite of objections from other police officers.
However, there is a special category of handgun called 'Long-barrelled revolver/pistol' or LBR. The barrel must be at least 12" long, and the arm must have a sticky-out extension or counterbalance to make it 60cm long overall. I have a Ruger Super Redhawk in .357Mag with a Burris scope on it - my neighbour has a .223 and .35 Whelen single shot pistol.
In England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales - you can have ANY centre-fire long arm up to .50BMG
Northern Ireland has NO restrictions on handgun ownership, apart from the usual licensing, that is - there are over 8000 CCW in Northern Ireland, BTW.
There are a few other wrinkles, such as needing an entry on your FAC to show that you shoot game and therefore need expanding ammunition, as well as FMJ.
You have to show your FAC to buy primers.
There are limits to the amount of ammunition you can buy or hold at any one time - for instance, I can only have 700 rounds of any of the five centre-fire calibres that I shoot and 1000 rounds of .22.
[Wow, did you say that YOU SHOOT?????]
Yes, I have seven centre-fire rifles - a K31, K11 and a K31-actioned 300m target rifle, a 6.5 Swedish Mauser, an 1897 Mauser Boer War carbine, a 1914 Mauser Model B and a Krico 650SS sniper/tactical. I also have seven .22 of various types and styles from target to plinking, and three handguns - two BP and the LBR.
The reason why I have so few guns compared to you guys is that in MY county the Chief Constable of the time decided that 16 was good number to limit to, in spite of the FACT that there is nothing in the Firearms Act to limit the number you could have, in theory. In the surrounding counties there are no limits, so many in my club have anything between one and fifty...[sigh].
ALL guns are kept at home, except for the very rare handguns, and you are entirely responsible for their safe-keeping and security.
A couple of 'anyways' -
My gun club closes its outside range this sunday to have a new firing point built at a cost of around $200,000 - the indoor ranges remain unaffected.
My club has just over 250 members, including almost 100 qualified RCOs, and over 150 game shooters - all qualified under the training given by the British Deer Society.
The UK has the ONLY on-line shooting magazine - 'Target Shooter'. Online at www.targetshooter.co.uk - I suggest you take a few minutes to look at it and see what the state of shooting in the UK is REALLY about.
There are at least six UK shooting magazines - the most popular - Gun Mart - around 200 pages a month has, for example just one advertisement of ONE gun and accessory company that runs over twenty pages.
The UK has a thriving custom rifle industry - not only some of the best F-TR and practical rifles, but also distinctly upper-crust stuff like Holland & Holland, Purdey, Churchill, Wharton [mornin' Ron] and numerous others I can't afford to mention.
The UK's shotgunners of all kinds are among the best in the world - at ALL ages - ALL the juniors here are also European gold medal winners, and Big George Digweed is the man to beat with trap and DTL. Look at the number of gold medals in the Commonwealth and European games won by British shooters of all ages. My pal Matt Skelhon is an Olympic gold medal paraplegic shooter.
The National shooting Centre at Bisley is world-renowned [at least, to most people], and was founded back in the 1860s after Wimbledon Common closed up.
HM the Queen is a very fine game shot.
HRH Prince Philip is the patron of the NRA.
Last weekend's shooting sports fair at Newark attrracted over 80,000 visitors in the two days it was open.
So much for there being no shooting in the UK.
I'll respond to ANY polite questions, if there are any, but I'll ignore sh!tty ones. Like I said on the other thread, I put up with the rules and regulations here in order to pursue my chosen sport - I don't like them but unless you obey them, the penalties are both painful and permanent. The licensing is not too bad - it last for five years, covers ALL your guns, and in direct contrast to some places, is a 'SHALL grant' unless there are some reasons why you should not have a gun of the kind you want. Most noobs ask for, and get, between four and six of the guns they want without any problems.
And to put my $0.02 into the system, and for the p!ss-takers here, I'm a member of ALL the pro-shooting sports pressure groups here in UK. I write on TEN independent fora, here in UK, over in Ireland, the USA, Canada and South Africa, and I'm the current president of the Vintage Classic Rifle Assocation of Ireland [www.vcrai.com]. I'm also a life member of the UK NRA AND the US NRA and a member of a 'closed' club in Washington state where membership is by invitation only. I can't be a member of the DCRA because I'm not resident in Canada, but if I was, I would be.
Can't stop now, because I'm off shooting - today is my birthday!!
To my friend Carlos - see you later over on swissrifles.com!
tac
PS - @y2k - do you really believe that anybody would be so stupid as to post a video on youtube of himself illegally shooting a rifle in what appears to be an open field in Norfolk, England? Get real, Sir.
YES, you CAN have guns in UK -
1. Shooting sports are the biggest growing sports in the UK, with over 40,000 noobs applying for firearms certificates in 2011 alone.
2. Last year shooters and associated business put almost $5BILLION into the UK economy.
3. You can have -
a. ANY Black powder rifle or smooth-bore - loose or cartridge - up to 2" bore [such as a punt gun].
2. ANY manually-operated centre-fire nitro-propellant long arm [the UK .50cal Shooter's Association is the largest anywhere outside the USA].
a. This includes ANY and ALL 'black rifle' look-alikes - except that centre-fire semi-autos are not permitted after a massacre in 1988] - all 'black rifle/semi-auto lookalikes' are actually straight-pull versions to comply with the law after the 1988 Hungerford Massace - 16 dead and 30+ injured.
3. Any loose-loading BP handgun - pistol or revolver.
4. ANY rimfire rifle or carbine of any kind - including all the 'black stuff'.
Any shotgun of any kind - Practical shotgun is VERY popular here in UK - my own club has around 50 members who do this.
All on an ordinary gun license [called an FAC or ticket, here, the equivalent of the PAL]. You can have a shotgun licence at age 14, BTW but you can shoot on your own land as young as you can do it safely. Once you have a shotgun licence you can have any number of SXS or OAU shotguns on it, but you need a Section 1 licence for a shotgun that shoots thre or more rounds, just like a rifled arm. A pal of mine has about 150 shotguns - he likes them.
In England, Scotland or Wales you may NOT have ANY cartridge-firing handgun except by special licence [rare]. This follows the 1996 massacre of sixteen 1st grade school kids and their teacher by a Scottish paedophile in Dunblane, said to be the buttock-pal of the then-Chief Constable of the region - hence his retention of a gun collection in spite of objections from other police officers.
However, there is a special category of handgun called 'Long-barrelled revolver/pistol' or LBR. The barrel must be at least 12" long, and the arm must have a sticky-out extension or counterbalance to make it 60cm long overall. I have a Ruger Super Redhawk in .357Mag with a Burris scope on it - my neighbour has a .223 and .35 Whelen single shot pistol.
In England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales - you can have ANY centre-fire long arm up to .50BMG
Northern Ireland has NO restrictions on handgun ownership, apart from the usual licensing, that is - there are over 8000 CCW in Northern Ireland, BTW.
There are a few other wrinkles, such as needing an entry on your FAC to show that you shoot game and therefore need expanding ammunition, as well as FMJ.
You have to show your FAC to buy primers.
There are limits to the amount of ammunition you can buy or hold at any one time - for instance, I can only have 700 rounds of any of the five centre-fire calibres that I shoot and 1000 rounds of .22.
[Wow, did you say that YOU SHOOT?????]
Yes, I have seven centre-fire rifles - a K31, K11 and a K31-actioned 300m target rifle, a 6.5 Swedish Mauser, an 1897 Mauser Boer War carbine, a 1914 Mauser Model B and a Krico 650SS sniper/tactical. I also have seven .22 of various types and styles from target to plinking, and three handguns - two BP and the LBR.
The reason why I have so few guns compared to you guys is that in MY county the Chief Constable of the time decided that 16 was good number to limit to, in spite of the FACT that there is nothing in the Firearms Act to limit the number you could have, in theory. In the surrounding counties there are no limits, so many in my club have anything between one and fifty...[sigh].
ALL guns are kept at home, except for the very rare handguns, and you are entirely responsible for their safe-keeping and security.
A couple of 'anyways' -
My gun club closes its outside range this sunday to have a new firing point built at a cost of around $200,000 - the indoor ranges remain unaffected.
My club has just over 250 members, including almost 100 qualified RCOs, and over 150 game shooters - all qualified under the training given by the British Deer Society.
The UK has the ONLY on-line shooting magazine - 'Target Shooter'. Online at www.targetshooter.co.uk - I suggest you take a few minutes to look at it and see what the state of shooting in the UK is REALLY about.
There are at least six UK shooting magazines - the most popular - Gun Mart - around 200 pages a month has, for example just one advertisement of ONE gun and accessory company that runs over twenty pages.
The UK has a thriving custom rifle industry - not only some of the best F-TR and practical rifles, but also distinctly upper-crust stuff like Holland & Holland, Purdey, Churchill, Wharton [mornin' Ron] and numerous others I can't afford to mention.
The UK's shotgunners of all kinds are among the best in the world - at ALL ages - ALL the juniors here are also European gold medal winners, and Big George Digweed is the man to beat with trap and DTL. Look at the number of gold medals in the Commonwealth and European games won by British shooters of all ages. My pal Matt Skelhon is an Olympic gold medal paraplegic shooter.
The National shooting Centre at Bisley is world-renowned [at least, to most people], and was founded back in the 1860s after Wimbledon Common closed up.
HM the Queen is a very fine game shot.
HRH Prince Philip is the patron of the NRA.
Last weekend's shooting sports fair at Newark attrracted over 80,000 visitors in the two days it was open.
So much for there being no shooting in the UK.
I'll respond to ANY polite questions, if there are any, but I'll ignore sh!tty ones. Like I said on the other thread, I put up with the rules and regulations here in order to pursue my chosen sport - I don't like them but unless you obey them, the penalties are both painful and permanent. The licensing is not too bad - it last for five years, covers ALL your guns, and in direct contrast to some places, is a 'SHALL grant' unless there are some reasons why you should not have a gun of the kind you want. Most noobs ask for, and get, between four and six of the guns they want without any problems.
And to put my $0.02 into the system, and for the p!ss-takers here, I'm a member of ALL the pro-shooting sports pressure groups here in UK. I write on TEN independent fora, here in UK, over in Ireland, the USA, Canada and South Africa, and I'm the current president of the Vintage Classic Rifle Assocation of Ireland [www.vcrai.com]. I'm also a life member of the UK NRA AND the US NRA and a member of a 'closed' club in Washington state where membership is by invitation only. I can't be a member of the DCRA because I'm not resident in Canada, but if I was, I would be.
Can't stop now, because I'm off shooting - today is my birthday!!
To my friend Carlos - see you later over on swissrifles.com!
tac
PS - @y2k - do you really believe that anybody would be so stupid as to post a video on youtube of himself illegally shooting a rifle in what appears to be an open field in Norfolk, England? Get real, Sir.
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Not that friggin' hard.
Not that friggin' hard.
Doh.
What I meant was the guy showing himself illegally shooting a firearm on a public website seen everywhere, including the UK.
tac
to quote tac
PS - @y2k - do you really believe that anybody would be so stupid as to post a video on youtube of himself illegally shooting a rifle in what appears to be an open field in Norfolk, England? Get real, Sir.
I Never said he was doing something ILLEGAL. I stated that I didn`t know that they could own Rifles in England. I was told only shotguns. What an attitude.
PS - @y2k - do you really believe that anybody would be so stupid as to post a video on youtube of himself illegally shooting a rifle in what appears to be an open field in Norfolk, England? Get real, Sir.
I Never said he was doing something ILLEGAL. I stated that I didn`t know that they could own Rifles in England. I was told only shotguns. What an attitude.
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Scope details:
Hi Carlos,
I will give you the full description from the seller of the scope, Holger Heinz.
"German scope - maker E.Kohler of Wetzlar, 2.5x22 (lenses made by Schmidt and Bender) with reticle #3 = 3 three post.
The scope has 22mm steel tube with elevetion adjusted internally and comes with detatchable mount for 10mm assembly rail
included, lateral setting over assembly, 9.5 inches long diameter ocular 28mm, diameter objective lens outside 22mm''.
The clamp on rail is a St.Marie Swiss Products one, I am very pleased with it, I like the side mount as I can load easily and use iron sights whenever I need to.
Here is a picture from under the one piece mount, you can see how the rings are screwed on from underneath and the windage is at the back. sorry for the poor quality photography.
Holger Heinz has a webstore, he can be found here http://german-sniper.com
I am very pleased with the scope, superb optics and looks the part too, I did not want a large objective bell which to my mind would not look right and be clumsy too.
Thank you all for your interest and kind comments
Best regards
Hi Carlos,
I will give you the full description from the seller of the scope, Holger Heinz.
"German scope - maker E.Kohler of Wetzlar, 2.5x22 (lenses made by Schmidt and Bender) with reticle #3 = 3 three post.
The scope has 22mm steel tube with elevetion adjusted internally and comes with detatchable mount for 10mm assembly rail
included, lateral setting over assembly, 9.5 inches long diameter ocular 28mm, diameter objective lens outside 22mm''.
The clamp on rail is a St.Marie Swiss Products one, I am very pleased with it, I like the side mount as I can load easily and use iron sights whenever I need to.
Here is a picture from under the one piece mount, you can see how the rings are screwed on from underneath and the windage is at the back. sorry for the poor quality photography.
Holger Heinz has a webstore, he can be found here http://german-sniper.com
I am very pleased with the scope, superb optics and looks the part too, I did not want a large objective bell which to my mind would not look right and be clumsy too.
Thank you all for your interest and kind comments
Best regards
Picture of base of rings
I have bought scopes from Holger myself over the years.
Note the Windage adjustment screws on the left. Needed for WWII German scopes that need the windage in the base of the rear ring and pivoted on the front ring.
I have bought scopes from Holger myself over the years.
Note the Windage adjustment screws on the left. Needed for WWII German scopes that need the windage in the base of the rear ring and pivoted on the front ring.
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That is a very fine-looking set-up, and looks exactly right on an older-style arm like the K31. I also have the St Marie Graphics clamp-on mounts, with a choice of a Weaver K4 or an older Ajack - both also look good and in keeping with the gun. I also have the diopter set, for those occasions when my eyes are not tired out!
In vintage comps here in UK there is a rule that more than x4 magnification is not permitted, as most vintage scopes were around that power - excepting the USMC and their x8 Unertls. However, they are so rare that they can be discounted, mainly due to the cost here in UK of such a rifle - if genuine.
Carlos, if you want to post one of my K31 + Weaver pics, please feel free to do it!
Best to all
tac
In vintage comps here in UK there is a rule that more than x4 magnification is not permitted, as most vintage scopes were around that power - excepting the USMC and their x8 Unertls. However, they are so rare that they can be discounted, mainly due to the cost here in UK of such a rifle - if genuine.
Carlos, if you want to post one of my K31 + Weaver pics, please feel free to do it!
Best to all
tac
