Vortex 2.5-10-32 PST or Zeiss 2x10x42 HD5 ?

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Any opinions on which one is better? I have the Vortex2.5x10x32 PST ordered, but the vender said he would sell me a Zeiss 2 x10x42 conquest HDS RZ reticle , for the same price. It's going on a XCR-L .223, range shooting and coyote hunting.im guessing the Zeiss is a little bigger and it's really clear. Haven't looked through the Vortex. So what do ya think, either is good and won't make much difference? Thanks for any help. ( I'm getting tired of buying scopes and want to get this one right...:).
 
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One huge difference is that the Vortex is FFP and the Zeiss is SFP. That is something you should consider.
 
1899 said:
One huge difference is that the Vortex is FFP and the Zeiss is SFP. That is something you should consider.
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I knew the Votex was FfP, and thought the zeiss was also, could thing I asked on here. For what in using it for ( shooting a few groups, targets and maybe a coyote at 2or3 hundred yards) I'm not sure if it would even matter to me. I have never looked through a FFP scope before, so I'm not sure. I'll have to compare that now.
 
The Conquest is SFP. That's why you can change the magnification to adjust the sub tension on the reticles to match your load so you end up with yardage indicated secondary crosshairs. If you do decide to go with the Rapid Z reticle, ensure you chose the one that best matches what you are shooting.
 
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The Conquest is SFP. That's why you can change the magnification to adjust the sub tension on the reticles to match your load so you end up with yardage indicated secondary crosshairs. If you do decide to go with the Rapid Z reticle, ensure you chose the one that best matches what you are shooting.
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they only have one and it's a rapid z , I'm using a .223. Maybe I'll just stick with the vortex , this is getting to complicating .. Lol I guess my 2 issues are 1 clear glass at max magnification . And 2. That it can be calibrated for my .223 , 53g cartridge.
 
Brianma65 said:
they only have one and it's a rapid z , I'm using a .223. Maybe I'll just stick with the vortex , this is getting to complicating .. Lol I guess my 2 issues are 1 clear glass at max magnification . And 2. That it can be calibrated for my .223 , 53g cartridge.
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There are several different Rapid Z reticles. It's not complicated...you just need to ensure you get the proper one for your cartridge so get optimum performance out of your scope. It's kind of like buying shoes and ensuring they fit.
 
Brianma65 said:
they only have one and it's a rapid z , I'm using a .223. Maybe I'll just stick with the vortex , this is getting to complicating .. Lol I guess my 2 issues are 1 clear glass at max magnification . And 2. That it can be calibrated for my .223 , 53g cartridge.
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You could just go with a NF 2.5-10x32 and use their "Velocity Calculator" to find the ideal reticle. It will cost a bit more, but I suspect you will get exactly what you want and the resale will be better too.
 
I'm looking for a scope that would have turrets matching my cartridge and caliber ( rangefind the distance to target, dial the turret to said distance, and hit the target) or a reticle , that has hash marks or dots (2-4-6 hundred yards) that would be calibrated to match my .223 cartridge. Both would be great. I have about $1200 after some reading, I don't think either of the scopes I mentioned is right for this. The NF is probably out of my range. 80% target shooting 20% hunting.... Looks like both reticle for the Vortex you have to judge size of target and do some math problems . The zeiss reticles seem better for hunting with large caliber rifles. Looks like I'm back to square one...lol
 
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Brianma65 said:
I'm looking for a scope that would have turrets matching my cartridge and caliber ( rangefind the distance to target, dial the turret to said distance, and hit the target) or a reticle , that has hash marks or dots (2-4-6 hundred yards) that would be calibrated to match my .223 cartridge. Both would be great. I have about $1200 after some reading, I don't think either of the scopes I mentioned is right for this. The NF is probably out of my range. 80% target shooting 20% hunting.
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Out of curiosity I went to the NF website and ran their calculator with Federal 55gr and the 600 MV reticle was within 0.8" or less out to 550 yards. Keep in mind of course that these things need to be tested in real life. But if it is out of your price range then it is out of your price range. Good luck on your quest.
 
Tough call. I like FFP. That Vortex scope is said to be very good. I'm still considering one for a light weight AR308 16" barrel carbine. That being said I also have a fair number of the 6.5-20x 50mm Conquest scopes, pre HD5. They are excellent. I refer to them as my budget night force scopes.

With the target and coyotes along with distances stated, I would go higher magnification. 4-14x minimum. With 5-25 range being best overall. I have the Rapid Z varmint reticle for my 223 target/varmint style rifles. Gives drop down reticle out to 600 yards. No turret dialing. Just know the distance and line up the new crosshair. Works very well for quick fairly accurate shooting. It's based of the Pride Fowler reticle.

The benefits of the Zeiss scopes are the optics, repeatability, and fixed eye relief. Like the NF scopes the eye relief is constant throughout the entire magnification range. No having to adjust your head on the stock for the different eye relief. Most scopes don't offer this. The one negative is lack of MOA adjustment. But.... it's not all apples to apples here. The Rapid Z reticle for many calibers puts the Crosshair above centre. So in effect it's like having a 25 moa angled base as you use most of your down adjustment to zero which gives you most of that 50 moa. In some cases you end up with the same amount of moa adjustment as scopes listing far more moa adjustment. Keep in mind you also have a drop crosshair to 600 yards or more and that extra Moa adjustment ontop of that. Something to think about with the Zeiss. Many want pure moa for turret turning. For a dedicated target only rifle you would want pure moa. But for a target/varming/tactical rifle...

The Vortex. Again I like FFP. Some don't. The argument is the crosshair gets too big and obscures the target. Keep in mind the target grows too though when you up the magnification. So the crosshair isn't really obscuring any more of the target. The glass on the Vortex listed is supposed to be excellent, and much better than the previous version (Be carefull there is the older one, and the newer one. You want the newest one).
Personally I would want more magnification than the 2-10x. Unless you're looking at off hand shooting with under 300 yards and the occasional target shooting. If so, then it's a decent combination.

There are compromises, especially when you want a rifle/scope to serve multiple purposes. You have to decide the type of shooting you will be doing mostly and which one fits that. Also look through both. See which one you prefer. On paper one might be the clear winner. Then you check it out live and prefer the other option. The good news is, you will likely be happy with either option.
 
You need to find out which Rapid Z reticle it is. The Rapid Z Varmint is best suited to the .223. They will all work with the .223 but they won't all allow you to use near maximum magnification. You can run your load data here to get a better idea: h ttp://www.zeissrapidz.com/
 
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Tough call. I like FFP. That Vortex scope is said to be very good. I'm still considering one for a light weight AR308 16" barrel carbine. That being said I also have a fair number of the 6.5-20x 50mm Conquest scopes, pre HD5. They are excellent. I refer to them as my budget night force scopes.

With the target and coyotes along with distances stated, I would go higher magnification. 4-14x minimum. With 5-25 range being best overall. I have the Rapid Z varmint reticle for my 223 target/varmint style rifles. Gives drop down reticle out to 600 yards. No turret dialing. Just know the distance and line up the new crosshair. Works very well for quick fairly accurate shooting. It's based of the Pride Fowler reticle.

The benefits of the Zeiss scopes are the optics, repeatability, and fixed eye relief. Like the NF scopes the eye relief is constant throughout the entire magnification range. No having to adjust your head on the stock for the different eye relief. Most scopes don't offer this. The one negative is lack of MOA adjustment. But.... it's not all apples to apples here. The Rapid Z reticle for many calibers puts the Crosshair above centre. So in effect it's like having a 25 moa angled base as you use most of your down adjustment to zero which gives you most of that 50 moa. In some cases you end up with the same amount of moa adjustment as scopes listing far more moa adjustment. Keep in mind you also have a drop crosshair to 600 yards or more and that extra Moa adjustment ontop of that. Something to think about with the Zeiss. Many want pure moa for turret turning. For a dedicated target only rifle you would want pure moa. But for a target/varming/tactical rifle...

The Vortex. Again I like FFP. Some don't. The argument is the crosshair gets too big and obscures the target. Keep in mind the target grows too though when you up the magnification. So the crosshair isn't really obscuring any more of the target. The glass on the Vortex listed is supposed to be excellent, and much better than the previous version (Be carefull there is the older one, and the newer one. You want the newest one).
Personally I would want more magnification than the 2-10x. Unless you're looking at off hand shooting with under 300 yards and the occasional target shooting. If so, then it's a decent combination.

There are compromises, especially when you want a rifle/scope to serve multiple purposes. You have to decide the type of shooting you will be doing mostly and which one fits that. Also look through both. See which one you prefer. On paper one might be the clear winner. Then you check it out live and prefer the other option. The good news is, you will likely be happy with either option.
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I mostly target shoot at 100 to 200 yards , was gonna try some coyote hunting maybe). I was going with the Vortex, until I read about the reticles, they have 2 and it appears to me, that you have to know the size of your target and do a bit of math . If the Vortex had a reticle that was calibrated to my .223 rnd , it would be the one. Looks like I may have to look more into the zeiss.
 
sheephunter said:
There are several different Rapid Z reticles. It's not complicated...you just need to ensure you get the proper one for your cartridge so get optimum performance out of your scope. It's kind of like buying shoes and ensuring they fit.
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ok I get it, they can be set for.223. To bad they couldn't be more exact. Like 53g superformance as that is what I'll be reloading.
 
1899 said:
You could just go with a NF 2.5-10x32 and use their "Velocity Calculator" to find the ideal reticle. It will cost a bit more, but I suspect you will get exactly what you want and the resale will be better too.
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that's exactly what I'm looking for but I'm guessing it's in the$2000 ballpark. That's a lot of coin for the type of shooting I do.
 
Oh and the only reason I'm not going more magnification is, I'm just trying to keep the lenght and weight of the scope to a minimum.
 
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