Vortex 2.5-10x32 FFP: Do you think I made a good choice ?
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In my opinion they are great scopes for the price you are paying. I'm glad they are making a smaller, more compact version of what is a very good scope.
If they offered their MRAD version in Second Focal Plane and kept the same reticle as the MRAD FFP version, I'd buy in a heart beat. Nothing wrong with
FFP, I'm just happier working with their SFP scopes. Good scope though, you should enjoy it. Let us know your impressions once you've taken it to the range.
If they offered their MRAD version in Second Focal Plane and kept the same reticle as the MRAD FFP version, I'd buy in a heart beat. Nothing wrong with
FFP, I'm just happier working with their SFP scopes. Good scope though, you should enjoy it. Let us know your impressions once you've taken it to the range.
QUOTE=sheephunter;9379301]Just curious why you decided on the small objective lens? Having hunted the Island a few times, I know how important a bright scope can be.[/QUOTE]
- Having tried multiple scopes over the years, different tube size, objectives, power; the whole nine yard....
- We made lots of testing to cover this question, of course we are no optical specialist, just hunter's who'd like to make there mind.
- From Bushnell to Swarovski's
- Test was simple: 12 scope at the time looking at a small light next to a shed at 300 yards.
- At the same power; it was extremely hard to our eyes, to be able to find a winner.
- But we definitely found something interesting; at the last hour, last minutes, if you cannot see your reticle and place the shot properly; you will not be able to make that shot.
- The Vortex 2.5-10x32mm is very short, 30mm tube, with an illuminated reticles. light will never be an issue, if I cant see my game through the scope, it is Simply too late and I Should'nt be hunting at this time.
- From experience: I used to hunt with a Swarovski 3-12x50 4NK illuminated the best hunting scope ever, but the reticle was in the FFP. This is perfect for hunting, BUT at this time I was also shooting lots on target, the reticle was just too thick to be able to be very accurate on paper. That’s why I sold it:
BUT: one night on the Anticosti Island I saw this big deer at 500 ft. I put the scope on him, I can see it; but the deer is kinda dark, the forest behind too and the reticle same thing, I was not able the place the reticle, but I turned the light on, then I saw the reticle = Venison that night.
So I came back to my first love, the FFP for hunting= Awesome.
On the Vortex, the reticle is not that thick, and you still can be able to shoot accurately on paper.
My rifle is a Youth 243, I don’t want to put something heavy and bulky on it.
Yesterday, when I went to WSS and tried this Vortex,
All the box were checked on my list, so I bought it.
Hopefully I answered your question
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- Having tried multiple scopes over the years, different tube size, objectives, power; the whole nine yard....
- We made lots of testing to cover this question, of course we are no optical specialist, just hunter's who'd like to make there mind.
- From Bushnell to Swarovski's
- Test was simple: 12 scope at the time looking at a small light next to a shed at 300 yards.
- At the same power; it was extremely hard to our eyes, to be able to find a winner.
- But we definitely found something interesting; at the last hour, last minutes, if you cannot see your reticle and place the shot properly; you will not be able to make that shot.
- The Vortex 2.5-10x32mm is very short, 30mm tube, with an illuminated reticles. light will never be an issue, if I cant see my game through the scope, it is Simply too late and I Should'nt be hunting at this time.
- From experience: I used to hunt with a Swarovski 3-12x50 4NK illuminated the best hunting scope ever, but the reticle was in the FFP. This is perfect for hunting, BUT at this time I was also shooting lots on target, the reticle was just too thick to be able to be very accurate on paper. That’s why I sold it:
BUT: one night on the Anticosti Island I saw this big deer at 500 ft. I put the scope on him, I can see it; but the deer is kinda dark, the forest behind too and the reticle same thing, I was not able the place the reticle, but I turned the light on, then I saw the reticle = Venison that night.
So I came back to my first love, the FFP for hunting= Awesome.
On the Vortex, the reticle is not that thick, and you still can be able to shoot accurately on paper.
My rifle is a Youth 243, I don’t want to put something heavy and bulky on it.
Yesterday, when I went to WSS and tried this Vortex,
All the box were checked on my list, so I bought it.
Hopefully I answered your question
A+
I really wasn't questioning the brand or tube size...just the objective lens size...at high power that scope isn't going to have a very large exit pupil and your sight picture will be very dark. That's a simple function of all optics, regardless of brand. No doubt you will be able to see an illuminated reticle any time of day but if you can't see your target it's not very useful. It would really depend what power you tested all the scopes at to really mean anything in regards to brightness. If it was a power that offered a 5mm or greater exit pupil then I'd expect them all to be similar...it's when you get into higher powers and smaller exit pupils that it becomes telling. This would be true of the identical brand/quality scopes with the only variable being magnification. Considering the fact that you can shoot one hour past sunset in BC and you are likely hunting some very heavy cover, I wouldn't be so quick to say light will never be an issue as I suspect it likely will be. I'm not a fan of huge objective lenses but I'm not a fan of small ones either on higher magnification scopes. I was just curious why you went so small. I hope it serves you well.
I hear the warranty is like second to none ! I wanna try a sightron maybe next good warranty but I don't think the turn around is as fast. I have a pst it's good but I have to send it away since the illumination switch is wonky it is on In between on and off on my pst.
Sheephunter,
You are bringing a very good point, I never taught about this ( Exit Pupil ).
I'm going to the range tonight after work,
I will pay attention to this.
Another point; If Nightforce are building the same ( Spec wise ) Scope 2.5-10x32mm
I figure it should'nt be to bad !
You are bringing a very good point, I never taught about this ( Exit Pupil ).
I'm going to the range tonight after work,
I will pay attention to this.
Another point; If Nightforce are building the same ( Spec wise ) Scope 2.5-10x32mm
I figure it should'nt be to bad !
Not saying it's a bad scope eclipse and most manufacturers build something similar....it's more a matter of does it serve your needs and if low light shooting ability at higher magnification is one of those needs then it likely doesn't....regardless of brand. Small objective lens scopes are typically lighter and more compact...a desirable trait in some applications and that's why manufacturers offer them. You see them a lot on tactical rifles. Manufacturers also offer the same magnification range with bigger objective lenses for other applications, like hunting. When choosing a scope there are a lot of variables to consider to ensure you get the proper magnification range, objective lens size, reticle, physical size, weight, quality, etc.
Sheephunter,
I actually learned something, thanks
About the exit pupils, you can calculate the size of it,
Objective Diameter / power = exit pupil diameter in mm.
The Zeiss Conquest is a 4.5-14x44, the Exit pupil is from : 9.7mm to 3.1mm
the Vortex is a 2.5-10x32, the Exit pupil is from : 12.8mm to 3.2mm
Very interesting,
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I actually learned something, thanks
About the exit pupils, you can calculate the size of it,
Objective Diameter / power = exit pupil diameter in mm.
The Zeiss Conquest is a 4.5-14x44, the Exit pupil is from : 9.7mm to 3.1mm
the Vortex is a 2.5-10x32, the Exit pupil is from : 12.8mm to 3.2mm
Very interesting,
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Low light usability is compromised at anything under 5mm for most people. As you can see, it's magnification dependant. At low magnification you are fine....it's when you get to higher magnification that objective lens size matters. A 2.5-10x32 at 10x will have an exit pupil of 3.2mm. A 4.4-14x44 at 10x will have an exit pupil of 4.4mm.
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Not looking to hijack this thread, but this seems like it would be a good rimfire scope (hunting/target) since it has parallax adjustment that goes down to 35yds. Other than the exit pupil at full mag it seems to have all the bells and whistles assuming your budget allows for it.
Eclipse: any more real world feedback?
Eclipse: any more real world feedback?
Dangaa ; I copy/paste an answer I give regards the longrange FFP shooting:
I don't know if it will help, But !
I tried my new Vortex PST 2.510v32mm FFP MOA today at 400 yards on my old gong.
4 MOA down for my 243 win at this distance.
I took the second line down on the reticle; and the gong made a nice song.
I then used the Turret; 4 MOA up, another nice song using the reticle center.
at 10 X its way more then enough for my need, I can see clearly my small 8X10" gong.
I have shot with so many scope over the years; So Far I`m stunned by Vortex.
When I will get my Zeiss Conquest back from warranty, I will probably go for another Vortex FFP.
Maybe with a 4-16x50mm PST FFP MOA, for my 270WSM, or the same thing...(2.5-10x)
more to follow,
Next time I go there, I will try to take some picture of the reticle to show you.
So far, I`m in love with this scope; that's all I can say for now.
No. That's a horrible choice, you should sell it to me.
^^In case it's not obvious, I'm joking. These scopes are in high demand due to their higher level features in a low-mid price range.
This is also something that could be said for Nightforce. Their customer service and warranty is top notch when their product breaks. Does that mean that they make inferior product that's going to break? I think there would be a line up of people that state this isn't the case.
Everything mechanical is subject to wear, breaking, and assembly line failures. The fact that a manufacturer acknowledges this and stands behind the product rather than leaving a customer out to dry is a good thing.
Of course in life you get what you pay for, so don't think I'm arguing the case that a $800 scope is comparable in quality to a $3000 scope. If one were to break first I'd like to think it would be the more affordable of the two with the likely reason of how it's manufactured or materials used within.
the small objective was done on purpose to keep the optics low to the receiver and barrel set up. No need for risers on your AR type platform for the bell to clear or the ghastly ultra high mounts that leave you reaching to see through the center of the objective.
