VZ 58 burial test

They were fielded in Iraq and Afghanistan by several different forces (Iraq and CZ armies) - battle hardened in the toughest of environments.

.. unlike say the XCR... hee hee.

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Grizzly Adams said:
Reliability of the VZ 58 in the field ? :confused: Never used extensively in Combat and only produced for a very limited time. Too many small springs and delicate items. Gotta remember it was replaced by the AK.;)


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mikethebike said:
Didnt the NVA also use a bunch of VZ58 during the vietnam war? Some also pop up in taliban and afghan regular army hands, seems like the tough mutha fackars like them a lot.

And we all know how those wars went...
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According to my historical records of . . . Full Metal Jacket . . . the answer is yes.

Thats when I also learned that the M60 was made to be fired one-handed.
 
5440fight said:
I'm sorry, I have several CZ/VZ rifles, and I love them, but that was not a good showing. Yes, it was buried with the bolt open, but it took 5 minutes of fiddling to get a single round to fire, and then more fiddling to finish the mag. What were we supposed to get from that? If you bury your gun with the bolt open, you will need 5-10 minutes to get it opperational... uhmmm...outstanding?...I think...
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The Daniel Defence AR15 torture test would be over if the dust cover were left open when it was buried. Can you imagine any AR15 functioning without a FULL field strip if this mud burial test were performed with the dust cover open?
 
superlative said:
The Daniel Defence AR15 torture test would be over if the dust cover were left open when it was buried. Can you imagine any AR15 functioning without a FULL field strip if this mud burial test were performed with the dust cover open?
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No, I can't, but I believe the CZ/Vz family to be a more reliable and durable design than the AR15, which is finicky about being clean, though a great platform. Such comparisons are not neccessary. I just wasn't impressed, or surprised by the results.
 
I got the breech of a rifle full of crap once when it got dropped in the sandy dirt at camp Borden. I shook a can of Diet Coke and then punched a small hole in the can with a pen. The stream was use to keep washing the breech, with gun pointed down, so crap went into chamber and out the barrel.

When the can was empty, I poured a half liter bottle of water into the action and out the barrel. That left it clean enough to shoot fairly well. Did not take long to do, and no tools were required.
 
There was a 5 tour of duty U.S. Army Ranger LRRP named Pat Tadina who apparently used a captured Vz58 at some point during the Vietnam War.

Tadina would sometimes don VC looking garb and between that, his small frame, his being ethnically Hawaiian and his using enemy rifles, he could pass for a VC long for enough to count.

Here he is with what looks like an AK underfolder, though he would later switch to the lighter VZ.

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superlative said:
The reliability of the VZ 58 in the field is legendary... on an anecdotal basis. However, there are plenty of videos of M4 environmental torture tests, but I could only find one lame one of the VZ 58 where some guy poured desert sand right into the chamber and bolt area. Of course it was going to fail.

But hooray - there's a PROPER burial test (finally), and here it is:

Now the bolt carrier was left open when it was buried, but if we are going to replicate the Daniel Defence AR15 torture test then by right it should be closed - and then it would have been an even greater testament to the VZ58's field hardiness.
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Fixed it.
But you should stick to the AR world as 858er's are practical and not tactical. :p
 
All the ak test are done with dirt in the recoil spring or in the mag but never right in the breach. No rifle will work like that just like no engine can intake water, compress it and still run
 
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