VZ24 with scrubbed lion crest on receiver

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Hi there,
I see a lot of VZ24 with scrubbed lion crest on the receiver being available on EE.
Some claims these are Russian captures.
Is there any markings that would confirm these are Russian captures ?
How can I know without doubt which country captured these ?
Thanks for your help
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Vz24s that stayed in Romania after end of ww2 had crests of kings (two of them) scrubbed. It is my understanding that they came from Romania and not from former USSR countries. I don't think RC term is correct here. It would be better to ask importers, but vz24 refurbishing features are not exactly as on rc k98ks.

We also have members from Romania here, maybe they will chime in.

P.s. vz24 contract for Romania started before the war.
 
Horilka said:
Vz24s that stayed in Romania after end of ww2 had crests of kings (two of them) scrubbed. It is my understanding that they came from Romania and not from former USSR countries. I don't think RC term is correct here. It would be better to ask importers, but vz24 refurbishing features are not exactly as on rc k98ks.

We also have members from Romania here, maybe they will chime in.

P.s. vz24 contract for Romania started before the war.
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Yup, and it's even possible to have a VZ 24 that was sent to romania have an intact crest. The serial range of mine is correct for being sold to Romania after being accepted into Czech army inventory, but it managed to luckily avoid the refurbishment process of scrubbing and rebluing. Still is a mixmaster but its slightly more unique than other VZ's.

Thanks Horilka for selling to me!
 
All of these Romanian Contract vz24 rifles came from Romania. The refurb happened post war obviously, during the communist regime, and that's when they scrubbed the receivers to remove the king's cypher. They were pretty indiscriminate, so lions got it too. Why Czech military accepted rifles in Romania? Because for the 1st Contract they could not build them fast enough, so to fulfill the order, they just gave them whatever they had in stock.
You can see vz24 used extensively in communist era Romanian films. Also the newly made stocks some of the refurbs have are cm (copsa mica cugir) marked, yet more proof they do come from Romania. The Romanians called these rifles pusca zb, meaning zb rifle.
 
Volhv said:
All of these Romanian Contract vz24 rifles came from Romania. The refurb happened post war obviously, during the communist regime, and that's when they scrubbed the receivers to remove the king's cypher. They were pretty indiscriminate, so lions got it too. Why Czech military accepted rifles in Romania? Because for the 1st Contract they could not build them fast enough, so to fulfill the order, they just gave them whatever they had in stock.
You can see vz24 used extensively in communist era Romanian films. Also the newly made stocks some of the refurbs have are cm (copsa mica cugir) marked, yet more proof they do come from Romania. The Romanians called these rifles pusca zb, meaning zb rifle.
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Great information, thank you!
 
Very informative, Gentlemen.
I always wondered if some of these rifles could have been deemed Russian captures, with the 3rd and 4th Romanian Armies, for instance, capitulating in/ near Stalingrad in 42/43. Must have been quite a few arms captured there.

When Romania changed sides in later WW2, many went through and camped near my family's village in Eastern Europe in early 45. Armed with apparently a variety of rifles, VZ24, being the most prevalent from what I have been told.
 
Hi all sorry for dragging up and old thread but with respect to the Romanian Contract VZ24's ... VolHv is correct about the Romanian Communists grinding off the history. Certainly there was likely a few Russian captured VZ24's but most of the scrubbed ones were from Romania. The link below is from another site that has some excellent serial number history for the VZ24's.

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/czechoslovak-mauser-serial-numbers.318806/


OldnCold
 
OldnCold said:
Hi all sorry for dragging up and old thread but with respect to the Romanian Contract VZ24's ... VolHv is correct about the Romanian Communists grinding off the history. Certainly there was likely a few Russian captured VZ24's but most of the scrubbed ones were from Romania. The link below is from another site that has some excellent serial number history for the VZ24's.

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/czechoslovak-mauser-serial-numbers.318806/


OldnCold
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Tradeex was seling a small number of VZ24 in intact Lion Rampant with around 10% more expensive, in 2009-2010 if I remember well.
 
themouser said:
Anyone have a non refurbished rampant lion crested. I haven't seen one on cgn
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I've handled a few. They are not RC refurbs. As noted above, the vast majority were refurbed post war in Romania. Most are scrubbed, but I have seen the Rampant lion intact on some. They are a much better value than the current RC prices. But, check the bores before buying. Some are pretty shot out!
 
I have one that's gone through a post war refurb. The Rampant Lion crest is still intact, but the parts, including the laminated stock/stamped trigger guard, are all stamped with matching numbers, other than the safety, which is electropenciled to match. The bore is perfect. The only reason it isn't full of grease is that I cleaned it out when I bought it 25 years ago. Still has preservative grease in the action and bits of paper wrapping on it. I haven't even bothered to shoot it.

I have other shooter grade rifles, with the same chambering. Yeah, I know, it's a refurb, but it's very nicely done by an approved facility to as new specs.
 
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