Wads and hulls question

Puma

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I've been reloading metallic for 30+ years but never ventured into the shot shell world. I just bought a Pacific 155 DL from a member here and figured I would expand my loading hobby. I have a couple books on Shotshell loading and have been reading up on some online sites, and here of course.

My goal is to load target or field load in 7 to 4 shot. I have looked at a bunch of load data but it seems specific to the hull used?

I was given a large box of once fired 12 g Challenger Canada "First Class" high velocity 1 OZ-28 gr hulls. This is where my question comes in..

I have read that these "maybe" Fiocchi or "maybe" Cheddite shells? What wads and what primer would I use?

Puma
 
Typically a load will be laid out with every component but shot size listed specifically. Manuals are the way to go. As for your hulls, you could ask Challenger themselves for clarification on which they are.
 
If your serious about reloading I would suggest you get some Remington hulls as they generally are one of the most versatile hulls and with excellent reload life .
 
Challenger(Cheddite) hulls make good reloads. My hull of choice, for 1 1/8 oz light field loads. I generally find that Federal wads (Or Claybuster equivalent)work well with these straight-walled hulls. Though on occasion I have used AA/Claybuster wads with some success. Likewise, Winchester 209 primers. My overall impression of these hulls is positive.

Rembolt offers good advice, regarding Remington hulls. They are very durable and hold up well for multiple reloads. Winchester AA-HS hulls(either red, or grey), also good. I prefer Remington hulls over Winchester...but since I usually have more AA's on hand at any one time, tend to load more of them. Either hull though, is a good choice, if you can get your hands on some.

If you haven't already located these sources, the Alliant Powder reloading site has load data for Cheddite hulls. Worth a look. Also: Hodgdon Reloading. Plus: Claybuster online site.
The Claybuster site deals more with wad/hull choices.
If you can find a copy of the latest Lyman Shotshell Reloading Manual, this will be of great help. Do follow load recommendations in the manuals/load data. Since you're an experienced reloader, you're likely already aware that shotshell reloading is not like metallic cartridge reloading. There isn't nearly the same leeway with loads.

Hope this helps.
Al
 
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I am very much in same boots - have been loading metallic centre fire rifle since late 1970's - just so starting into shotgun (28 gauge) - everything I read is forget what I think I know from metallic rifle - there are no "pressure" signs to use - follow a pressure tested published load exactly - brand of hull, brand of wad, brand of primer, weight and brand of powder. And multiple sources have confirmed for me that Challenger hulls are, in fact, identical to Cheddite hulls. Have not blown my face apart or either of my two 28 gauge shotguns relying on that, but otherwise have been pretty fussy about exact compliance with published, pressure test loads.
 
I only load for my Parker to keep the pressure down in the 97 year old gun though I used to load all my hunting and target loads but since components have increased so much in price I only load for the Parker now. As mentioned keep to the exact recipes in the data as even a change of primer can affect the pressure more than you'd expect.
 
Thanks for the advise guys. I will use these hulls for light loads and go to some new Remington products for my field loads.

I contacted CB and they got back to me in a couple hours.

CB2100-12 (1oz. loads) and CB2118-12 (1 1/8 oz. loads) should work fine in the Challenger hulls.
You can reference the load data for the 12S0 and 12S3 using those wads.
Thank you for contacting Claybuster wads.

My Alliant manual has load data for Cheddite plastic with these wads as well.
 
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Might want to give us a reference / link or something to where BPI publishes that - else sounds like you are advising to substitute those primers for each other?? Not sure how you would know that to be a safe thing do - as in whether my Browning or my face will be okay, even if it might be?? This was for all possible gauges of shotgun loads, in all possible hulls, with all possible powders and wads, or just some???
 
Puma: If you can find some, Federal Gold Medal hulls are also an excellent choice for reloading. Very durable and good for multiple reloads. Most folks who regularly reload shotshells(Metallic cartridge guys, too), also tend to be hardcore scroungers. You may already be one of those...but if not, here's a tip: Many gun clubs have some kind of informal trap shooting going on, over weekends. If your local gun club does also....it's the perfect time to score a good supply of free, once-fired hulls. Plus cartridge boxes....which always seem to be in short supply on the reloading bench. Good luck.
 
BPI 7th edition......................multi hulls[Cheddite] have a 209 primer that is comparable [i.e. produce inconsequential differences] with Nobel Sport 209.Win 209 , CCI 209 + Cheddite 209 primers.Any of the above mentioned primers may be used where the multi hull 209 primer designation is shown. Unquote. Toll Free.......888-273-9236
 
mbogo3 said:
BPI 7th edition......................multi hulls[Cheddite] have a 209 primer that is comparable [i.e. produce inconsequential differences] with Nobel Sport 209.Win 209 , CCI 209 + Cheddite 209 primers.Any of the above mentioned primers may be used where the multi hull 209 primer designation is shown. Unquote. Toll Free.......888-273-9236
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Thank you - I learned something! I did not know that BPI designated certain hulls as "multi-hull 209 primer". I went to their website to order a manual - lost count after 16 different kinds of their manuals listed. So, the manual that you found this in - possibly titled "Advantages"??

Looking through my supplies on hand I have Clerinox "Type 209" by Cheddite, and CCI "Trap and Skeet" 209 that might be interchangeable in designated multi-hulls, but I also have Federal Champion 209A that do not appear to be included.
 
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Be very careful about how much trust you put in Ballistic Products manuals. Many of their loads simply don't fit properly with the recipes provided and some seem to me, to be at risk of excessive pressure, when cross checked with other references. People posting on Shotgunworld and Trapshooters have stated these concerns.
 
I've been using H110 in .410 + 28ga Cheddite hulls with Win 209 primers and BPI wads/data with no issues? Over shot cards used in most BPI loads follow the books recipe. Your mileage may vary?
 
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