Walther Creed

Ganderite

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A fugly pistol. Looks like a Hi-Point.

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I bought this on EE. Almost new. Only $290. An offer I could not refuse.

This is an interesting pistol to handle. Have not shot it yet. Maybe tomorrow.

Sights: Steel white dots. Look excellent. Rear sight is adjustable left-right in a dovetail. The sight is numbered, so I assume there are other heights available. The rear notch is wide. Excellent for old eyes, or fast target acquisition.

Magazine: A quality unit, made in Italy. A 15 shot unit, punch-limited to 10. Mag fires out when the mag release is hit.

Mag release: A big button, easy to use. On left side. Probably switchable to the other side.

Slide release: Almost flush. No danger of accidently pushing it. Very stiff. I cannot use it as a slide release. Not ambi and not switchable.

Trigger: Excellent!! Crisp 5 1/4 pounds.

Safety: None. Does not have the safety blade like a Glock. It has a longer than average trigger take-up that finishes cocking the hammer. The take-up is very light.

Action: Single action only. No second strike possibility.

Grip: One size. Very comfortable. Texture is slippery. Needs grip tape.

Slide: Taller than average. Excellent serrations front and back. Easy to use and would work well in wet or cold weather or with gloves.

Frame: Synthetic. Has a rail.

Take-down: Simple. Lock slide open, turn the take down lever, release slide. No need to pull the trigger.

Weight: 27 oz. empty.


I find myself thinking that this would be a good pistol for the military. Holster it loaded (like a Glock). Draw and shoot. No safety too screw up. The hammer is the cocked indicator. If it is visible, the pistil is half-cocked and ready to fire. If it is inside the frame, the pistol is not cocked. I put a small dab of bright red paint on the top of the hammer to make a better "cocked" indicator. There is a small window at the back of the barrel shroud to see inside if there is a round in the chamber.

This is a cheap but well-made pistol. Dealers sell it for around $500 with 3 mags.
 
How good is it? It's so good this fantastic weapon has been discontinued. Better get it while you can.

And magazines.

And parts.

While you can.
 
I like them. I've been a die-hard Sig DA/SA guy for a long time, no use for poly guns. But this one got me interested and the price was right. I've got 500 rounds down mine flawlessly. The trigger was vastly different then what I was used to, but that doesn't make it bad. I painted the front dot orange, easier for my eyes to pick up. And I stipled the slippery grip, made all the difference. When you can buy a German made 9mm with 3 mags for norinco money, it is hard to pass on. I picked mine up new for quite a bit less then dealers were selling them.

I'm still a die hard Sig guy, but this is a comfortable in the hand, nice shooting gun with a good trigger. What's not to like? It's a hell of a lot better gun then a Hi Point!

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Ganderite. I bought one of these a few years ago and then sold it earlier this year and I had buyers remorse.....yes buyers remorse for a creed. So like you I purchased another one off the EE. This gun other than its ugly appearance is a blast to shoot and accurate. The pre-cocked trigger is feels like a striker fired one. My only complaint is the slippery grip. I used diamond skateboard tape it to fix this minor problem. A fellow CGNr recommended it.

The dealers sell it for 499.99 and last summer they were as high as 599.99.

You will not be disappointed. It has a little bit of muzzle flip to the low bore access. The video reviews from some of YouTube gun personalities are all positive including Hiscock45. For the price you will find it difficult to find any major issue.

I will be interested in what you think but one thing for sure you will be smiling.
 
It's a wonderful plinking gun , very accurate and works with any ammo I put in it ( this days we can't be picky ).
The PPX magazines are the same if you need spare mags.
I love it.
 
The Walther Creed is nothing else than the slightly "rounded over" Walther PPX which has been discontinued a few years ago. Otherwise, they are identical internally. I have had the PPX for nearly six years. I bought it for cheap it as a part of a "range kit". It is absolutely splendid shooter. Actually, I like the appearance of the PPX better than the Creed. The former looks more "muscular". See for yourself.

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I have dry fired it about 1000 times and put some moly grease in the trigger area. Trigger is now a crisp 4 1/2 pounds. One of the best out of the box triggers I have ever tested. It will not need a trigger job.

I have installed a small strip of skateboard tape to the top of the backstrap. This anchors the gun better in my hand.

I have the pistol on the desk of my home office and dry fire it from time to time. Sure hope the police don't do a no-knock on me. I am in the wrong demographic. A 77 year old licensed gun owner....
 
Shot the Creed today with 3 different loads. It shot perfectly.

Groups were good, but 6" hi.

It has a #2 rear sight. I need a rear sight 1 or 2 steps lower.

Trigger is a nice, crisp 4 1/2 pounds. If feels like a striker with a long take up. Does not feel like a DAO.
 
I found I also needed a (very) low 6 o'clock hold to be on target. Not going to bother changing site, just need to be aware that is the case when shooting. It is never going to be a precision target shooting gun for me. I have an X5 for that.
 
I found I also needed a (very) low 6 o'clock hold to be on target. Not going to bother changing site, just need to be aware that is the case when shooting. It is never going to be a precision target shooting gun for me. I have an X5 for that.

The rear sight has 2 deep white dots. I am not a fan of rear dots, so I am about to fill them in with a dab of JB Weld. Then I will file the sight face flat and paint it flat black.

THEN I will file the sight notch about 3mm deeper, and then file the top of the sight down about 3mm, in effect, making a lower rear sight.

If this does not work, I see that Dawson Precision makes nice sights for it.

According to this calculator, I need to lower the rear sight by about half a tenth of an inch - about 400 thou.

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Shot the Creed today with 3 different loads. It shot perfectly.

Groups were good, but 6" hi.

It has a #2 rear sight. I need a rear sight 1 or 2 steps lower.


Trigger is a nice, crisp 4 1/2 pounds. If feels like a striker with a long take up. Does not feel like a DAO.

Ganderite what distance where you shooting at? My original one that I sold was pretty accurate for POA/POI to approx. 20 yards. My replacement Creed should be here this week so I will let you know my results.
 
I test at 25 yards. That is close as my 25 yard range goes.

Shots were grouping around 3", but 5 to 6" high. That is too much for me to accommodate by aiming low, so I need a higher front sight, or a lower rear.

The rear sight has a number on it - 2 - so I assume other heights are available. Or I can do what i did with some MP9s and Glocks - install Dawson Precision fibre optic sights.

In the meantime, I have decided to file down the rear sight. It has a deep notch, so it looks doable.

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The calculator said to file off about 400 thou. That would be to about the middle of those big deep white dots. So I filled each dot with a small blob of JB Weld.
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When the JB was hard, I filed the blobs on the rear face of the rear sight flat.
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When I went to file the sight notch deeper, I discovered that the sight is made of hard steel. The file will not touch it. So I took a Dremel and just lowered the sight, leaving a shallow notch.
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A quick test at 25 yards indicates it is now hitting where I aim. The trigger will take a bit of getting used to. I find it lighter than I expect.
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I will try to buy a lower sight, if I can locate one.
 
I ground the rear sight down, because it was shooting 6" high. I should have put a dab of JB weld on the top of the front sight, and then filed to shape.

But it worked. Height is now about right.

25 yards, 2 hands

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Now I need to move the rear sight a bit left.

I tried 135 lead bullets and 147 plated. It did much better with the 135 lead. Nice to have a gun that prefers the cheapest bullets.
 
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