Walther p99 vs Glock 21
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Why not G22?
I own the glock and walther p99. The walther is not in the same league as the glock. Worst spongy-springy trigger ever!!! It's pull isn't even consistant, the reset is nice though. The finish is not durable and mine had ejection issues. Support / parts are non existant.
LOL. I had the black and od p99...stupid Bond movies!!
Look at HK or glock if you want a polymer pistol.
I own the glock and walther p99. The walther is not in the same league as the glock. Worst spongy-springy trigger ever!!! It's pull isn't even consistant, the reset is nice though. The finish is not durable and mine had ejection issues. Support / parts are non existant.
LOL. I had the black and od p99...stupid Bond movies!!
Look at HK or glock if you want a polymer pistol.
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The P99 is a gadget pistol with many safety indicators and ergonomic features. In terms of reliability, most of Quebec's municipal police forces use the P99 so I doubt it's as unreliable as some people say it is. It's also a ###y looking pistol and is used quite often in the movies and television. It can be compared to a Porsche.
The Glock 21 is a reliable no-gadget, no-frills pistol that can be compared to a Hummer; it gets the job done. You can also hammer nails with the 21's slide on your days off as a carpenter!
My $0.02 worth...
The Glock 21 is a reliable no-gadget, no-frills pistol that can be compared to a Hummer; it gets the job done. You can also hammer nails with the 21's slide on your days off as a carpenter!
My $0.02 worth...
Not quite... Montreal is the only Canadian force to my knowledge that uses the P99... and the decision was based on the removable backstraps to accommodate small handed female officers. Most believe it was a horrible decision.
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Most horrible decision in quebec was to change the name of Dorval Airport to Trudeau. If smith and wesson released the M&P sooner they might be packing those. Maybe they will in the future. The walther is a neat looking pistol. I have not heard of any issues thus far.
I used to have a P99, albeit mine was a 9mm. I think they have some good things going for them (they are "neat", with all their little features), but my praise for them has faded quite a bit over the years. The main problem they have is the absolutely massive, heavy, tall slide on an EXTREMELY light frame. It feels good in the hand, but has a really sharp "snap" to it when you fire it. I loved mine at the begining, but then it mostly stayed at home because I did not find it enjoyable to shoot. For me at least, accuracy was nothing special.
In a .40S&W, it will take some time to adapt to the snap of this gun. A shooter can get used to just about anything if they put in enough time with it, but the P99 makes the task that much more difficult.
In a .40S&W, a GLOCK is the better option I would think. Then again, if you absolutely must have a .40 P99 QA, definiately go get one - otherwise you will just keep wondering if this was the gun for you. I have bought and sold so many guns before learning what I really like - and the process continues.
You can look at my thread here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175105
In a .40S&W, it will take some time to adapt to the snap of this gun. A shooter can get used to just about anything if they put in enough time with it, but the P99 makes the task that much more difficult.
In a .40S&W, a GLOCK is the better option I would think. Then again, if you absolutely must have a .40 P99 QA, definiately go get one - otherwise you will just keep wondering if this was the gun for you. I have bought and sold so many guns before learning what I really like - and the process continues.
You can look at my thread here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175105
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Actually, I've personally witnessed a member of the City of Boucherville police department sporting a P99 QA. When I inquired about it, he smiled and we talked shop as it also turned out that he's a member of the same indoor shooting range as I am.
BTW, in case you're wondering, the incident took place during a routine seat belt check operation just off the Autoroute last summer.
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Get the Glock
147 grain does have much less snap then 115. The frame is very light and the slide is as well compared to a larger gun like the Glock 17. Having fired both side by side with the same ammo it was pretty easy to feel the difference. That said I prefer the P99, its more fun.
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Bluemax, how's the magazine release on the 99? It looks so flimsy, like it could break like nothing. In fact, a lot of stuff on this gun looks kinda flimsy. Has it stood up to any hard core torture tests?
I don't think it is an ammo issue with the P99s. We would use everything from 115gr. +P bonded jacketed hollowpoints, to regular old 115's. 124's and 147's. The issue with those P99s, in my mind is more the design of the gun. HK seems to have really taken this idea of "reducing the mass of the slide" to heart in their newer guns. There is a big difference between a P2000 or P30 slide and a USP slide, and for the better. If HK can make the P2000 a soft shooting poly frame gun that is similar in dimensions to the P99, with 115gr. or whatever, I don't see any reason to make excuses for Walther. They have some good ideas, they just need to keep working on their design.
Actually, Boucherville is patrolled by the Longueil police service. I do believe they have H&K P2000's. Most cops wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between their weapon and any other polymer framed pistol. To say that the majority of Quebec municipal forces use a P99 is way off base. If you take Montreal out of the equation, the HUGE majority use Glock's.
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The mag releases (2) may seem flimsy but they are far from it.
Also, Walther eliminated the "ski hump" on the inner bottom portion of the trigger guard on all Gen II series and made the pistol ambidextrous (right & left handed); thus the presence of a dual mag release.
Generally, this finely-engineered pistol has gotten an overall bad rap mainly due to it's higher price, delayed parts availability (Canadian Walther distributor's lack of effort in sourcing them), inability to fire home-made reloads and some other reasons just too long to list here.
Sound familiar? Anyone who owns a german-mfd sports car will attest to this and understand what I'm talking about.
Torture tests? Do you mean if I would I bring my P99 to the deserts of Iraq, poured sand thru the barrel and tried firing it?
The two largest cities in the province of Quebec are both Montreal & Quebec City. Both Montreal MUC police as well as the Service de Police de la Ville de Quebec have equipped their officers with the Walther P99. Montreal alone purchased over 3 200 Walther P99's during the changeover from their previous standard-issue sidearm.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_P99
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These two pistols are such polar opposites....they can't be compared, because they share no other attributes than being magazine fed, semi-auto pistols.
If the Walther sets your pants on fire get it....at this stage of the game, it's all new to you, and will give you a starting point.
You will find the Walter to be a very 'snappy' recoiling pistol...there are much better choices....Smith and Wesson M&P...still has the adjustable backstrap, but is much nicer to shoot.
My concern would be the Walther would be the type of pistol which could easily induce the development of the dreaded 'flinch'...not good!
I had a P99 in 40S&W...the recoil guide broke after 15 rounds! This pistol was designed as a 9MM, and was 're-engineered' into a 40S&W when the marketeers at Walther realized the police market was dropping 9MM as the prefered duty round.
The Glock 21 is a pussycat to shoot, but the large grip doesn't agree with those with smaller hands. It is actually my favorite gun in 45 ACP....
In the end, you'll probably go with what 'floats your boat'.....
Here is some photo evidence that the Quebec City police force also uses the P99. This was taken at last year's 400 Anniversary Airshow:
In case you're wondering, it was the gun I was taking a picture of... honestly! I just haven't gotten around to cropping it yet...
Matthew
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I think the Laval police carry the p99 as well.
