Want to get into the NVG world, where do I start?

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Recently listened to a few podcasts that convinced me I have enough guns and want to invest more in other force multipliers that are not gun related… Like good comms and the ability to see in the dark.

I have a hard time figuring out what to buy and where to buy it.

So far, I feel like a PVS-14 is a good place the start but I’d like to have some feedback of people who have/had it. I’m also wondering if a gen 2 is good enough or if I should go straight for a gen 3?
 
Do your research before pulling the trigger. The forum has several threads on it here and there is a ton of info on the web. I've got a cheat sheet going on to help with all the terms, specs etc.
Get the best quality you can afford, don't go cheap.
ColdHarbourSupply is on point. Haven't purchased from them, but they've been helpful with questions and they seem to get in some top notch gear.

I've used NOD's for work in the late 90's and I've wanted my own ever since, just...the F**king price holds me back.
 
Cold Harbour! There experience & customer service sets them far apart from all other providers. Ask about Photonis White Phosphor Night Vision Tubes. Excellent tubes for the $.

Keep in mind the NV tubes is just part of the cost. You'll need head mounting hardware (helmet or skull crusher), possibly weapon mounting capability and NV compatible weapon optics, NV lights and lasers + pressure pads. Keep in mind you'll need rail space so maybe a new hand guard and specialized rail sections to reach switches etc.

Again none of these suppliers I'm going to mention in my opinion are at Cold Harbour's level of customer service which is invaluable due to you can really make some big $ mistakes if you don't know NVG.

Alternatively to Cold Harbour, Alpha Optics is a good source for Night Vision but you need to know your ####....they won't hold your hand and spend hours explaining products to you like Cold Harbour.

MOD Armory in USA can & will ship non ITAR items but you have to phone & ask for the service and they will set up a broker. They take detailed information such as DL, Address etc. If I remember correctly no shipping to PO boxes. Items such as excellent mounts and specialized items can be found on MOD Armory web site. There web site does not allow cross border shopping. Cadex also makes some decent stuff, head & weapon mount accessories...and a Canadian company.

Skull crushers, helmets etc are a massive topic. Bottom line Ballistic Helmets are heavy, Bump Helmets not so much...helmets are generally comfortable if not to heavy, skull crushers suck for long periods of use. Recce type head units like Crye Precision's Night Cap are light weight and comfortable....ish. Counter weights are worth every penny.

Lasers and lights are again a vast topic. ITAR restrictions make the high end US militaria stuff unobtainable but some show up on the EE from time to time. Holosun makes a few nice units for the $. Almost everyone sells Holosun. Tactical Imports brings in some of the Euro high powered lights & laser goodies ....decent prices considering.

Big fan of Unity Tactical risers for use with passive aiming through NVG. Gets your head up high enough to see through your optics with NVG on for passive aiming.

Lots of info on you tube from Trex Arms, Grand Thumb, Hoplopfheil, Cold Harbour and many others.

Finally join a local Canadian Multigun Group and shoot some two gun or three gun matches so you know how to use your gear. Some do night shoots....but rare these days. Some allow spectators and you can learn form peeps at matches.

I would also suggest paying for litigation insurance if practicing on crown land in evenings.

Hope this helps & good luck
 
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Cold Harbour! There experience & customer service sets them far apart from all other providers. Ask about Photonis White Phosphor Night Vision Tubes. Excellent tubes for the $.

Keep in mind the NV tubes is just part of the cost. You'll need head mounting hardware (helmet or skull crusher), possibly weapon mounting capability and NV compatible weapon optics, NV lights and lasers + pressure pads. Keep in mind you'll need rail space so maybe a new hand guard and specialized rail sections to reach switches etc.

Again none of these suppliers I'm going to mention in my opinion are at Cold Harbour's level of customer service which is invaluable due to you can really make some big $ mistakes if you don't know NVG.

Alternatively to Cold Harbour, Alpha Optics is a good source for Night Vision but you need to know your ####....they won't hold your hand and spend hours explaining products to you like Cold Harbour.

MOD Armory in USA can & will ship non ITAR items but you have to phone & ask for the service and they will set up a broker. They take detailed information such as DL, Address etc. If I remember correctly no shipping to PO boxes. Items such as excellent mounts and specialized items can be found on MOD Armory web site. There web site does not allow cross border shopping. Cadex also makes some decent stuff, head & weapon mount accessories...and a Canadian company.

Skull crushers, helmets etc are a massive topic. Bottom line Ballistic Helmets are heavy, Bump Helmets not so much...helmets are generally comfortable if not to heavy, skull crushers suck for long periods of use. Recce type head units like Crye Precision's Night Cap are light weight and comfortable....ish. Counter weights are worth every penny.

Lasers and lights are again a vast topic. ITAR restrictions make the high end US militaria stuff unobtainable but some show up on the EE from time to time. Holosun makes a few nice units for the $. Almost everyone sells Holosun. Tactical Imports brings in some of the Euro high powered lights & laser goodies ....decent prices considering.

Big fan of Unity Tactical risers for use with passive aiming through NVG. Gets your head up high enough to see through your optics with NVG on for passive aiming.

Lots of info on you tube from Trex Arms, Grand Thumb, Hoplopfheil, Cold Harbour and many others.

Finally join a local Canadian Multigun Group and shoot some two gun or three gun matches so you know how to use your gear. Some do night shoots....but rare these days. Some allow spectators and you can learn form peeps at matches.

I would also suggest paying for litigation insurance if practicing on crown land in evenings.

Hope this helps & good luck

Wow thank you very much for all this information!! Seems like the Pvs-14 Pro at Cold Harbour comes with a skull crusher. I may begin with this before shopping for a helmet.
 
I think that a PVS14 in the highest level you can afford is the way to go along with a skullcrusher.

Couple that with an IR laser and an IR light all of which mount on your primary rifle. I run my IR laser parallel to the bore line as close as I can.

Train to use both the light and laser sparingly. The other guys may have NODs too.
 
Oh hoh. Welcome to my realm. I've spent quite a few years researching and using NODs and speak fairly frequently with lots of the Canadian NV retailers and end users.

There are a few retailers that I trust for NV stuff. Cold Harbour is absolutely good to go, so is Opfor Night Solutions and Mk4 Designs. I would stay away from GSCI, Brandon Optics, Alpha Optics, and anybody else that sells GSCI products as their offerings really aren't very good.

To start with, night vision is a system. Just having the night vision device is just the start, you need peripherals supporting it to make it work optimally (helmet, mount, IR illuminators, IR lasers). In terms of night vision devices, a PVS-14 is as ubiquitous a platform as you can get. Basically everybody starts off with using one and either stays with it or upgrades to binos. Personally, it is always my recommendation to get a PVS-14 first to see how much you use it and to get good at using it as it's a very seamless transition going from a mono to a bino.

The heart of NV devices is the image intensifier tube (IIT). There are several generations based off American IIT technology. Gen 0 and gen 1 are garbage. Stay away from these as they are basically next to useless. US gen 2 and older US gen 3 (OMNI VI and older) is somewhat serviceable but won't be able to compete against modern tubes. US gen 3 OMNI VII and OMNI VIII tubes are excellent (thin-film technology) but very rare to find in Canada due to ITAR (US arms export restrictions). So the American tubes are basically impossible for us to get, so we turn to the Euros. Harder Digital in Germany makes gen 3 tubes with gallium arsenide photocathodes but they are using older US gen 3 technology (thick film) and really aren't worth the money.

So you'll see the retailers I suggest stock primarily Photonis tubes. Photonis has quite a long history of being competitive with their IIT technology. Their older mil-grade XD-4 and XR5 lines were excellent for their time and still hold up compared to older US gen 3. But their new offerings in their Echo, Echo+, and 4G lines are where they shine. They offer excellent specs and performance and are very good value, which is why proper NV retailers are mostly offering devices with Photonis Echos. I personally have an Echo+ tube and have compared it with nearly every other available tube on the market including top of the line US gen 3 filmless tubes of which it is about 90% of the performance (the gen 3 having a gallium arsenide photocathode and being filmless gives it better extreme low light performance).

The IIT also has performance metrics and specs that can be used to see how good of a tube you are getting. This is a writeup from the owner of Opfor Night Solutions about the specs and generations of night vision and is an excellent read: https://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=193908

Besides tube specs, there's also phosphor screen colour. The traditional green phosphor is an option but nowadays the trend is to have white phosphor tubes as WP has less eyestrain and better contrast.

Once you've decided on the tube you want that fits your needs, you need to decide on a housing. For a monocular, there's not much choice. Personally I would stick with either a milspec PVS-14 housing or a Nocturn Tanto if you want something a little lighter. If you want binos, there are tons of choices. Do you want articulation (so you can roll the pods up), IPD stops if it articulates (fixed spacing between your eyes), the material of the housing (polymer vs aluminum), features such as modularity, onboard IR illuminator, external power options, etc. This is when I recommend you talk with the retailers so they can suggest housings that fit your wants and needs.

Lastly is the choice of lenses. I like new manufactured Carson (milspec) glass the most, though some retailers favour the lighter RPO glass or a milspec variant (Edmund). Don't cheap out on the glass and get Optronics or ADI as they have significant image distortion or sealing issues.

Once you've got your NV device figured out, now you need to put the rest of the system together. Do NOT use USGI skullcrushers with Norotos Rhino mounts. You will absolutely have a bad time. Get a quality mount (Cadex Low Profile Mount, Norotos AKA2, Norotos LoSto, Wilcox mounts). If it's a PVS-14, you'll need an arm to interface with the mount (or just get a bridge for it). Buy a bump helmet (or ballistic if that's how you roll). Team Wendy Exfil LTPs are a good choice with a molded in aluminum shroud, decent padding, good suspension. Only downside to TWs is the rail system is not as universal as the OpsCore ARC rails.

NV is a heck of a rabbit hole with tons of information and misinformation out there. I strongly advise you contact CHS or Opfor or Mk4 and ask questions and learn from them. Feel free to ask me stuff too!
 
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