Wanted: load data for 30/06 Ackley Improved

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Anyone have a reference for load data for this cartridge? Will be loading 150 and 165 grain Barnes XBT's. I know I can just start with 30/06 data and work up, but I'd prefer to shorten that process up as much as possible - and know where the upper limits are (I'm told there's a reloading manual out there with data for this cartridge, but I don't have it - new Nosler, Swift, or something like that?). I have the following online references, but would appreciate any paper data out there from a manual. I do have the following online reference
http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w3006imp.html

And yes, I know that different makes of bullets of the same weight develop different pressures, not to mention different rifles also affect pressures.

Thanks.
 
Start with any reasonable safe load in a regular 30'06 and work up.
The Nosler #5 manual also has data as does Ackley #1 & 2.
Guess what, there are no short cuts all you will be doing is fast tracking to a KB.
 
From the Ackley manual for "30/06 Improved (Ackley) "

150 gr bullet

"52 gr 4895 2960 fs
54 4895 3035

50 gr 4064 2960
55 4064 3150 "


no data for 165 gr...just 180 and 220 gr.

Ackley does not ever state what components he used for any of his data in these books nor does he give barrel lengths ............as previosly advised , work up your loads, Ackley data is hot to max in his guns....unknown if over max in yours...

hs4570.............your mileage may vary
 
Lefty #### said:
Start with any reasonable safe load in a regular 30'06 and work up.
The Nosler #5 manual also has data as does Ackley #1 & 2.
Guess what, there are no short cuts all you will be doing is fast tracking to a KB.
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Ummmm... no.

When you DO find a manual with both 30/06 and 30/06 AI data, you will notice that - surprise, surprise - the AI starting loads with the same powder and the same bullet are higher than those for the vanilla 30/06. Ergo, all the powder burned and bullets thrown downrange while working up from minimum/middle 30/06 loads to minimum/middle 30/06 AI data is just wasted money (although the shooting is fun enough). The idea is to START with AI loads - not spend powder and bullets working up to AI load data. That has nothing to do with fasttracking to a KB.

Not only that, but data which shows you maximum load data is most helpful; I have limited trust in Ken Waters mike-the-case-head method. And much, much less in peering at primers and gauging bolt lift effort.
 
Oh but Rick I've seen some real hack jobs in AI chambering that's why one is prudent to start at a safe level and find out what your rifle's chamber is cut like.
Remember there are no standards in chamber dimensions as far as AI chambers go so like I've seen happen the headspace is totally out of wack and even a mild 30'06 load caused incipint head speration after the first reload, so yes you can head to a KB with even safe 30'06 loads.
I'm not suggesting every AI is out of wack but I've personnaly seen 2 wacked out chambers in AI and 1 in Gibbs, for me to approach reloads for wildcats with a very cautious attitude.
 
Actually, the best way I've found to work up AI loads without data is to start with the parent case Max data (referenced from a few manuals) and then work up from there.

Ulitmately THE only way to truly work up a load in any rifle PROPERLY, but especially a wildcat/AI is with a chrony.

Simply figure out the velocity you will get (Velocity increases at 1/4 case capacity) and then work up with the chrony until you get there.


If you're worried about powder/bullets/$$$$ then only shoot 1 load of each charge to work up to safe speeds.

280_ACKLEY
 
Noslers manuals ist 30-06AI data.

Common powders include:

RL15
W760
H 414
IMR 4350
RL 19

H4831

IMR 4350 seems to work good in al 30-06's so:

150gr- 61.5-57.5

165gr- 59-55
 
beretta boy said:
Try the Barnes Manual ... there are a number of shortcuts there.
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Yup, shortcuts to blow your rifle up with few rounds..

The Barnes #3 Manual is a POS (as are their others), I trust thier data as much as I do Chuck Hawks writing.

The best manuals I own are the new Speer and Nosler manuals. Cross reference the two, and work up from there. You'll have a good load in no time.

280_ACKLEY
 
And just what rifles did YOU blow up with Barnes data ??
Maybe you'd like to share ....

Perhaps you should drop Randy Brooks a line and tell him that the
hundreds of thousands he's invested in his lab facilities and research
at Barnes over the past 32 years has been a colossal waste of time. money & effort.
 
beretta boy said:
And just what rifles did YOU blow up with Barnes data ??
Maybe you'd like to share ....

Perhaps you should drop Randy Brooks a line and tell him that the
hundreds of thousands he's invested in his lab facilities and research
at Barnes over the past 32 years has been a colossal waste of time. money & effort.
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It's pretty well documented that the Barnes #3 manual has alot of errors in it, IIRC.:)
 
Gatehouse said:
It's pretty well documented that the Barnes #3 manual has alot of errors in it, IIRC.:)
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Where is this documented? Their loads look pretty stiff to be sure, but different bullets and different jackets, etc...

Would like to know about this as the old man uses the Barnes manual.
 
It's been documented on internet forums for years...Not just this one.;) I've read time and time again about errors in thier data.

And IIRC, there was even some Barnes press releases about corrections to their manual several yeears ago.

I use thier manuals too, but then again, I generally work up cautiously. Nowdays i am just as liekly to check out Stevespages (poosted abopve) and never exceed his loads.

I own 6 or so manuals,and I generally cross reference al of them, plus stevespages, as well as the powder companies data prior to embarking on a new load development. If one really stands out, I see it.;)
 
I would be leery of Ackley's orig. data which was from the 1940s , he may not have always had good pressure testing equip. and he was trying to sell his services and this reulted in some pretty pheno. published velocities for any cart. with the Ackley name!! Some velocity levels can not be duplicated to this date even by using the same loads!!! This is similar to early Weatherby claims!
 
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