Wanting info on Parker Hale scope mount for Enfield no1mk3

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So I got a 1918 Enfield off the EE a few weeks back, and it came with a scope mount.

Here is the rifle. Its already drilled and tapped for the mount.





And this is the scope mount. As you can see, it says Parker Hale England, List No BA 24



Here is what It looks like on the gun. (Not screwed in, just sitting in place.)



I only have two screws for this, and there are three holes. I am assuming I need to get my hands on that third screw... Anyone know where I could get something like this? I assume its not the sort of thing I can walk into Home Depot and pick up... Might a gun store have something? Or do I need to find a gunsmith?

Also, what kind of rings go with this mount? Do I need to get special rings to go with this old-school mount, or might regular weaver rings work? (It appears to be about the same width, but not quite the same shape, as weavers have two angles on the sides like this

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while this mount is more like this

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Hmm, the back of the mount was buggered up a bit. This mount originally came with two screws for the front, and two smaller screws for smaller holes at the back. Still, chances are your setup could be solid.

I'm not sure if the threads for the holes you have are common threads - something like 8-40; But if they are not some weird thread, anyone with some varity of gunsmithing screws will be able to supply the missing screw.

The more difficult part is finding original Parker Hale rings. These are pretty much needed to properly secure a scope to this particular mount.

Lou
 
The threads could be anything who ever tapped it had to hand, 6-40, 6-48, or even 4s. My money would be on 6-40 judging by the choice and presumed age, but you might want to hedge you bets. A quick trip to smith with a variety of screws would be your best bet if you can arrange it.
The PH rings come up from time to time.
In the 'insane ramblings' vein, a quick check to see if a TO1 weaver base would fit that hole pattern might be in order, would certainly open up a greater choice in rings, well, sort of.
 
Hey Corps the rifle came from you, did you ever put a scope? Either with the mount I've got, or a different one?

So my options are either find the rings for this mount, or get a different mount? Anyone know where I can get one of these mounts? Google didn't come up with anything thats actually in stock...

Anyone know what the proper rings go for when the do come up? I quick search of the EE brought up nothing.
 
While I've seen this type of mount being used before, I never actually used it on this rifle. I've mounted a scope using a Weaver rail however, just to see how it would fit.
 
In my opinion the TO-1 is pretty much a piece of SHIITE , alright if you have nothing else. The base was designed for use with the Weaver tip-off ring that is designed for .22 recoil levels and small scopes. It only has the claw type mount and no recoil lug to keep the scope from moving under recoil. The PH rings work great but are getting hard to find. You will pay $80 to $100 for a decent set but they work well and DO NOT move.
 
I believe I have a brand new set of PH rings in the box as well as a base (I know you don't need the base), I can check tomorrow to see where they are if you are interested at all.
 
Mike Webb said:
In my opinion the TO-1 is pretty much a piece of SHIITE , alright if you have nothing else. The base was designed for use with the Weaver tip-off ring that is designed for .22 recoil levels and small scopes. It only has the claw type mount and no recoil lug to keep the scope from moving under recoil. The PH rings work great but are getting hard to find. You will pay $80 to $100 for a decent set but they work well and DO NOT move.
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$100? Sheesh... Thats what I was worried about. The rifle barely cost more than that... Will definitely have to get all the screws in place and make sure its nice and solid before I go dropping that much coin for some rings...

Does anyone know the differences in the types of rings? My searching has brought up RAHS3, RALS3, RAHS4, ect... Can anyone explain the difference, and perhaps know what might work for me? (I dont plan on using a big scope. Something like a 3-9x40 at most. Maybe even a 3-9x32...)

Maybe I'll just leave this bad-boy as an Iron-sights only rig... A real shame, she shoots nice with the irons, I wanted to see how good she would shoot with a scope on.
 
Parker Hale rings: RAH is High, RAL is Low.

If you have to settle for the Weaver TO-1 mount, as Mike Webb said it's for their Tip-Off Rings (one inch.) These can work well enough but are certainly more liable to work loose than other systems. There are a couple of makers of conversions that attach to tip-off mounts (either the Weaver TO-1 or the grooves commonly made on .22rimfire receivers) and then you can attach conventional Weaver type rings to the converters. But you then have an extra layer raising the scope higher off the rifle and it may not be any more firmly mounted than using tip-off rings on the tip-off mount. Maybe worth considering if you have a different sort of ring that you really want to use.
 
Also that base is meant to mount on Parker Hale side mount on the NO. 1 MK3 not directly on top of the charger guide. I will post a pic of the proper mount for your base.
 
Well - That PH base has been modified. The rear of the base uses a screw that is off center. I suspect that base has been retrofitted on a gun that was D+T'd for the Weaver TO1. Try using a standard 6-48 screw that gunsmiths use. Parker Hale bases are not that hard to find - just make sure that the locating "nub" hasn't been ground off both bases - you need one with the nub, and one without.
 
Overall i have no complaints about the mount. It came with the gun when i bought It, and i would have bought the gun either way so it's like a free bonus. It looks to fit well, and I'm going to screw it on to see if it's sturdy or not later today.
 
Suther said:
$100? Sheesh... Thats what I was worried about. The rifle barely cost more than that... Will definitely have to get all the screws in place and make sure its nice and solid before I go dropping that much coin for some rings...

Does anyone know the differences in the types of rings? My searching has brought up RAHS3, RALS3, RAHS4, ect... Can anyone explain the difference, and perhaps know what might work for me? (I dont plan on using a big scope. Something like a 3-9x40 at most. Maybe even a 3-9x32...)

Maybe I'll just leave this bad-boy as an Iron-sights only rig... A real shame, she shoots nice with the irons, I wanted to see how good she would shoot with a scope on.
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RAHS is High with stud on bottom
RALS is low with stud on bottom

3 means for 25mm scope tube
4 is 26mm
5 is 30mm

They can sell from 100-250.00 ( 26mm is scarce and desirable )
 
twincamharley said:
RAHS is High with stud on bottom
RALS is low with stud on bottom

3 means for 25mm scope tube
4 is 26mm
5 is 30mm

They can sell from 100-250.00 ( 26mm is scarce and desirable )
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Any particular reason 26mm is scarce? Do they work best with a 1" Scope or something?

25mm seems a touch small for a 1" scope, but not enough to matter I would think?
 
26 mm is for a 26 mm tube... The 25 mm nominal is for the 1 inch tube, and the most common. I'm sure you could get a set of PH rings for less than 50$. Put an add in the EE for RALS3 rings - people like to use the RAHS3 for the No4 Mk1 style mount, making them harder to find.
 
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