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Mods, maybe this should be in the legalese forum, but with all the legalities that follow Black Rifles, maybe it should stay.:wave:

I was making photocopies of my certificates today when something on one certificate really stood out. On my non-restricted Tavor certificate, in the box for the class, handgun/rifle/shotgun, it actually states, commercial version.:eek:

So, I call the Canadian Frustration Center and explain that my certificate needs correction. The overly sensitive unionized servitor working the telephone says, yes that is strange, looks up a picture of a Tavor, defecates in her drawers and has the Technocrat confirm that, "Yes, that baby-seal killing spawn of international Zionism is non-restricted,,, and Commercial Version is actually the proper category." She then regurgitates it all back to me. We both learn there is a new category type of firearm called commercial version, that can be non-restriced too, and a laundry in Miramichi gets some unwanted business.w:h:

So, I decide to do a fast look through my AR certificates, and find another mistaken barrel length. Fixed after a less scary telephone call.:popCorn:

Please, please, be very exacting in scrutinizing your certificates.
 
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It is "commercial version". A commercial version of a military firearm.

These are the different types of firearms:

Combination gun;
Handgun;
Rifle;
Submachine gun;
Commercial version;
Shotgun.

The different action types are:

Air;
Bolt action;
Lever action;
Revolver;
Converted automatic;
Muti-barret;
Semi-automatic;
Full automatic;
Pump action;
Single shot;
Other.

And these can be nonrestricted, restricted or prohibited, as the case may be.
Why the Tavor is described as being a CV instead of as a Rifle is a question you might want to ask.
Is there a reason for a separate category called commercial version?.
 
lawn gnome said:
Mods, maybe this should be in the legalese forum, but with all the legalities that follow Black Rifles, maybe it should stay.:wave:

I was making photocopies of my certificates today when something on one certificate really stood out. On my non-restricted Tavor certificate, in the box for the class, handgun/rifle/shotgun, it actually states, commercial.:eek:

So, I call the Canadian Frustration Center and explain that my certificate needs correction. The overly sensitive unionized servitor working the telephone says, yes that is strange, looks up a picture of a Tavor, defecates in her drawers and has the Technocrat confirm that, "Yes, that baby-seal killing spawn of international Zionism is non-restricted,,, and Commercial is actually the proper category." She then regurgitates it all back to me. We both learn there is a new category of firearm called commercial, that can be non-restriced too, and a laundry in Miramichi gets some unwanted business.w:h:

So, I decide to do a fast look through my AR certificates, and find another mistaken barrel length. Fixed after a less scary telephone call.:popCorn:

Please, please, be very exacting in scrutinizing your certificates.
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Your registration card... does it list the TYPE as "commercial version" or the CLASS as "commercial version"?

The TYPE of firearm can be any of a wide range of descriptions... CFC has been using the "commercial version" designation for a while and usually is used to describe anything that was originally introduced as a Machine Gun or Full Auto gun and later had a "commercial" semi-auto version released for commercial sales.

It is not to be confused with the Class (or Legal Classification) of the firearm.

Mark
 
Thanks Tiriaq. That is all totally new to me.
Thinking of the Type 97, I had my heart skip a few beats for a while.
I sure as h@#@ don't want to be the one that takes all the blame for getting anything reclassified.
 
Interesting. The SL8 is a "commercial version" of the G36, yet it is registered as a "rifle". Maybe it isn't scary enough with it's practically identical internals, yet very different exterior?
 
IIRC, there was a design approved as non-restricted which used an upper that would not fit a standard AR lower. The lower was AR-ish, but sufficiently altered in design that it was no longer deemed an AR lower receiver. It was the upper which was registered as a bolt action non-restricted rifle.
 
Divide to conquer: it will be easier later on to confiscate a sub-category such as "commercial version"...

I can see Iggy going after these "commercial versions of deadly assault not nice guns" to save us from ourselves and bring peace on earth (and thus improving his chances during the next election)...

Mem
 
lawn gnome said:
Mods, maybe this should be in the legalese forum, but with all the legalities that follow Black Rifles, maybe it should stay.:wave:

I was making photocopies of my certificates today when something on one certificate really stood out. On my non-restricted Tavor certificate, in the box for the class, handgun/rifle/shotgun, it actually states, commercial version.:eek:

So, I call the Canadian Frustration Center and explain that my certificate needs correction. The overly sensitive unionized servitor working the telephone says, yes that is strange, looks up a picture of a Tavor, defecates in her drawers and has the Technocrat confirm that, "Yes, that baby-seal killing spawn of international Zionism is non-restricted,,, and Commercial Version is actually the proper category." She then regurgitates it all back to me. We both learn there is a new category type of firearm called commercial version, that can be non-restriced too, and a laundry in Miramichi gets some unwanted business.w:h:

So, I decide to do a fast look through my AR certificates, and find another mistaken barrel length. Fixed after a less scary telephone call.:popCorn:

Please, please, be very exacting in scrutinizing your certificates.
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Took me about three tries to finally get the barrel length on my M4 registered as a 14.5". First it was 20", then 16". After the fourth phone call they finally got it right. How can they mess up something so simple? I remember the call from Wolverine to the CFC describing the firearm in question, was stated clearly what the barrel length was. Always good to go through the certificates as the CFC sometimes doesn't have a clue.
 
Yeah, the "Commercial Version" is one of my pet peeves, as it's just a made-up category that has no basis in law. Thus my CZ 91s which to me is quite clearly a "Hand-gun" despite its vestigial wire stock, is limited to 5 rnd magazines according to the RCMP. On the other side of the equation, in the newest FRT, there are .32 ACP versions available and because they deem it not a handgun, they are only Restricted.
 
vondnik said:
now try to get a bolt action ar registered..... My 50 cal is bolt action but sits on a ar-15 lower.... it's been months and still they can't warp their minds around the concept....
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Dlask had a Pump-Action AR which I handled, really nice actually... still deemed Restricted :(
 
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