we should give IPSC Canada a kick

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We all should give IPSC Canada a kick in the nuts. They have done absolutely nothing politically for the cause. Send them a message by threatening not to renue your membership. I let mine lapse because they have done nothing to ensure handgun ownership in this country will continue. The Siterep is a farce politically and I have seen no action at all on firearms rights from IPSC Canada. It is high time that all orgs started to pull their weight, if not cut them loose and let them drift. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Brian
 
It is not a rant it is a fact. Please name 1 thing IPSC canada has done to preserve handgun ownership in this country. It is high time they step up to the plate and use some of the $60+ fees to ensure we retain our handguns.

Brian
 
IPSC Canada is not a political group.

They exist to foster and support IPSC Shooting.

Look at the crap storm that arose when CSSA got invovled with *DPA.

This would be the exact opposite.

IPSC is good at running IPSC. Let CSSA run the political gambit.
 
Storm I totally disagree. If you are in the shooting sports particularly handgun then you must get involved politically. Funny how IPSC USA and IDPA and others are politically involved, are we special because we are Canadian? Bud has to get off his ass and get with the program or face extinction. $60+ dollars is a lot of cash for very little in member benefits. The CSSA at least gives insurance, discounts, political action and a much better magazine. Frankly I would not mind the high costs if they actually did something to promote handgun ownership but they do squat. Please provide concrete examples and I will listen but this non political argument is nothing more than a lame excuse for doing nothing. BTW it would be much more effective if every shooting and hunting org got politically involved rather than saying oh the CSSA or the NFA will do it so we don't have to. Imagine all shooting and hunting orgs pressuring governments it would be awesome.

Brian
 
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Not to provide a cop-out, but I think just the presence and health of IPSC is important in preserving our rights.

As far as concrete examples, when Martin launched his 'handgun ban' idea IPSC Canada did encourage members to get active politically and provided materials for a letter writing campaign.
 
Though I don't do IPSC or IDPA myself, I often use those organizations as examples of sporting use of semi-automatic handguns when I write politicians or newspapers. If they're strong, then my 50 rounds a week Norinco plinking is safe :)
 
Have you seen IPSC Canada's books? They are not flush with money and they do not have the infrastucture to do what you ask.


None of their executives are experts in the Political field.

Meanwhlie we have CSSA and CILA who are experts in the area of Politics. Why would you want to dilute their efforts?

I would actually like to see a merging of ALL shooting groups into one massive country wide group.

I am talking EVERYONE!!

Just think of the power that would yield!!

Think of the publication that could be put out!
 
Funny Storm but it seems that the IPSC executive get to go on junkets to go shooting, that is rather costly. Experience in the politics is not an excuse. I got involved to help save my sport at personal expense, I have spent many hundreds of dollars of my own money. It is the least IPSC can do to start getting politically involved.

Brian
 
Brian...

You obvioulsy have a personal grudge with Bud...but lets get a few facts straight.

First...Bud is not the Regional Director for Canada...so if you have a beef with IPSC Canada...wrong guy.

You (well not you...but current members) join IPSC Canada through a section (Province) so of the $60.00 you paid to IPSC Ontario $30.00 of that went to IPSC Canada and $30 stayed with the section so please adjust your math.

If your beef is actually with IPSC Ontario...then you can take it up with me (as long as I'm not off one one of my shooting junkets)

Next...Sitrep is not a National magazine...it's for Ontario members only and was origionaly intended as a method to publish match results. The National publication is Dilgentia...

Now regarding IPSC Canada's involvement in politics...your comments lead me to believe that you haven't been involved with IPSC very long. Thier involvement goes way back. Back before it was fashionable to be involved when most of the current crop of arm chair cowboys were sitting on their hams.

I can see from the % of your posts that you are more interested in politics than you are in shooting. That's your perogative. I would, however, suggest you do a bit more research into IPSC Canada and it's contributions to the sport and political involvement before you make another post like this.

I'll PM you with my home number if you want to have a meaningfull discussion on IPSC. If it turns out you're just one of the anti IPSC crowd...no harm...but it will be a short conversation

Regards
Craig Stoklosar
IPSC Ontario
 
Well said.

IPSC does plenty for the shooting community.

They attract more new members every year and teach shooters to compete safely. Most of the members are volunteers and the matches I've attended are supported by those who love the sport and don't charge a dime for their time. IPSC is built by it's members for it's members.

If you're unhappy with IPSC, step up and make a difference. If not, STFU.
 
Well seeing as no one gets paid to write SitRep atricles, and it's the same people writing them (who put in a lot of thier own time to keep it going).. why don't you set an example and write one.. it's easy to sit back and complain, when your not the one putting your time into the organization to keep it going.
 
Craig,

First I would much rather be shooting than spending money on ATIPS and fighting with the Privacy Commissioner so please don't tell me what I would rather be doing. Rather than employing political spin when stating how IPSC is involved supply some concrete examples and I will gladly admit my mistake, however I am confident I will not have to.

JJackman it is really difficult to be more of an ass than pitbull Bryant but you have succeeded.
Brian
 
lcq said:
Funny how IPSC USA and IDPA and others are politically involved, are we special because we are Canadian?

Brian
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Boy do you need to check your facts before you spout off. USPSA (IPSC USA) is prohibited by its status as a "non profit organization" from getting involved in the gun control debate. They only recommend to their member to join the NRA (or similar group) . If they tried to do any lobbing they would loose their tax exempt status and we would lose probably 80% of the matches they support! IDPA is a for profit organization and can do what they please.

As for Bud if you had met the man you would know he has never laid down as far as getting involved when ever there has been a challenge to our sport. He has sent out many e-mail notes to the membership to get us involved and probably written more letters to Ottawa than all of us combined.
 
Also folks, try and keep in mind that once apon a time, the issue of a one time $20/member political action donation split IPSC Ontario apart.

Staying focused on the sport isn't a bad thing.
 
I think IPSC Canada does what it does best and thats make IPSC happen in Canada. Now, if a IPSC member wants representation on a political level then I think they will be best served by contributing money to the various organizations in Canada that are setup for that sort of activity.

IPSC Canada IMHO doesnt need to be involved in politics and lobbying, just keeping the sport strong in Canada is all that I expect of it.

If you feel different ICQ, then perhaps you should offer to run for regional director and help steer IPSC in the direction you would want to see it go.
 
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