Does anyone here know all about these? I have a classic k 4x38 nice little scope. Beautiful crosshair and really like it. Just purchased another k4-60B. It has a horizontal line with a vertical line from the bottom to the center dot and it’s shaped like a narrow pyramid. Command post???? Question is. How old are these and is the one with what I’m calling the command post not very common? I wanted a regular crosshair and got this by mistake. But think it’s really neat. Thanks for the time and info
Weaver k series scope information
- Thread starter Jstory
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Don't know exactly when the steel tube Weaver scopes went out of production. Guessing ca. 1980?
The post and crosshair reticle is less common than regular crosshairs and has a following. "Command Post" was a design from another company. The post could be flipped up and down as the user wished.
The Weaver K series scopes were extremely popular. They are good units.
The post and crosshair reticle is less common than regular crosshairs and has a following. "Command Post" was a design from another company. The post could be flipped up and down as the user wished.
The Weaver K series scopes were extremely popular. They are good units.
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- Western Manitoba
Weaver went through changes. Your steel tube K4-60B will be stamped "El Paso" - W.R.Weaver company was started in 1930's in Texas when original W.R.Weaver company was making scopes there. Original founder died in 1975. W.R.Weaver company had been sold, the first time, in 1968. Since then, has had several owners. A "Classic K4x38" was made in Japan (I think?), originally, but I think the newest ones with that name are made in China. Weaver scope company is now owned by ATK (Vista Outdoors) - they also own Simmons, Browning Optics, Redfield, Bushnell, and probably several other scope brand names. The factory in El Paso has not operated for decades - an internet posting on 24hourcampfire says that the El Paso Weaver factory was shut down for good in 1984?
From what I had been shown, that taper post was sort of "transition" from iron sights - bullets to strike at the tip of that post - like using a post front sight - could be seen easier than fine cross hairs in poor light. I am not sure if the horizontal wire was a mechanical support or if it was to help know where "horizontal" was?? On the Weavers, that top of the tip should be square shoulder and protrude above the horizontal wire - at least one here has signs of corrosion, and the tip has rusted away to be more or less even with the cross wire. I am expecting that post and the wire to let go any shot, now.
From what I had been shown, that taper post was sort of "transition" from iron sights - bullets to strike at the tip of that post - like using a post front sight - could be seen easier than fine cross hairs in poor light. I am not sure if the horizontal wire was a mechanical support or if it was to help know where "horizontal" was?? On the Weavers, that top of the tip should be square shoulder and protrude above the horizontal wire - at least one here has signs of corrosion, and the tip has rusted away to be more or less even with the cross wire. I am expecting that post and the wire to let go any shot, now.
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- Western Manitoba
Was a big thing in the scope world to get the reticle to stay in the centre of view while turrets were adjusted. Earliest scopes could end up with cross hairs in a corner of the view when sighted in. Had to fuss with the mounting system, at that point, to get a better sight picture. I had read that Weaver figured out how to keep it centered within the view. I have several 60B series and 60C series - I do not think they are sealed - so might fog up - inside the scope - when going from warm to cold. My uncles in central Saskatchewan kept their rifles in un-heated farm house porch - same temperature - that way, the unsealed scopes of that time would not fog when grabbed to go outside to deal with coyote in yard. I would guesstimate about one in three rifles or .22 had scopes - a lot of hunting and shooting was still done with iron sights - circa 1960's? Later Weaver series, like the "dash I" - so, like K4-I - were sealed and should not fog so much. None had any sort of glass coatings like we have today. To my mind, they were a good solid sight for a hunting rifle - not made for twirling turrets - get it sighted in and it would stay put for decades.
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Yes thank you. My 60B is elpaso and my 4x38 is Japan. Good to hear. Thanks so much! I’m going to keep an eye out for another with a regular crosshair as well. I don’t care about the fog issue. These are summer time optics for me on firearms that may or may not get used. Likely sight in and never leave the safe.
The Weaver T series target scopes - 6, 10, 16, 20 and 25 power - are still respected for the repeatability of their adjustments. Not golly gee whizz compared with current target scopes but still capable of doing a workmanlike job.
I made up a simulated 03A4 sniper rifle with a Weaver 330 scope. Only 3/4" tube and rather primitive adjustments, but it works quite nicely.
Because so many were made, used Weaver hunting scopes turn up regularly. If in good shape they will still give yeoman service on a hunting rifle - often at a bargain price.
Weavers can even be serviced in Canada.
I made up a simulated 03A4 sniper rifle with a Weaver 330 scope. Only 3/4" tube and rather primitive adjustments, but it works quite nicely.
Because so many were made, used Weaver hunting scopes turn up regularly. If in good shape they will still give yeoman service on a hunting rifle - often at a bargain price.
Weavers can even be serviced in Canada.
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- Western Manitoba
I have heard similar about Trace before - besides that one with the rusted reticle, I have another - the eye piece lens - appears to be two halves with a fluid between - has now got an annoying bubble that floats around between. I have no immediate need to use either, but nice to know there is a place to get them fixed.
The K4-60B's are the first perma centered scope as far as I know, and they were introduced around 1956 or 1957 and were produced until the late 60's I believe. I own a few of them and they're pretty good scopes; while the glass isn't the best they hold zero super well.
The El Paso factory shut down in 1984 officially and ended the steel tube Weaver production. Though, the classic line was manufactured in the 70's, I don't believe it was made in El Paso.
I went through a vintage scope kick and acquired a whole bunch of old Weavers and Redfields. My favourite are the micro trac models, they were produced in the late 70s.
