Webley Mk VI in .455 Webley

albertacowboy

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I am commencing the search for a nice MK VI in great tight condition with the best finish I can find, so I expect the search to be fun and a bit long. One question I have is comparing the relative condition of the original WW1 Webleys with the revolvers made in the 1920's at Enfield. Does anyone have experience or info on this point, or on the Mk VI in general?

All info welcome and thanks,
'Albertacowboy
 
Not sure what you mean by"comparing the relative condition of the original WW1 Webleys with the revolvers made in the 1920's at Enfield". I had a 1924 Enfield No. 1 Mk VI revolver in original .455 in excellent condition except one grip had a chip out of it. Placed next to a friend's 1917 Webley Mk VI, his had more wear on it, one would be hard pressed to tell them apart. If I hard to state a difference I would say the Enfield had a "military" finish to it where the Webley had a more "commercial" finish.
 
Not sure what you mean by"comparing the relative condition of the original WW1 Webleys with the revolvers made in the 1920's at Enfield". I had a 1924 Enfield No. 1 Mk VI revolver in original .455 in excellent condition except one grip had a chip out of it. Placed next to a friend's 1917 Webley Mk VI, his had more wear on it, one would be hard pressed to tell them apart. If I hard to state a difference I would say the Enfield had a "military" finish to it where the Webley had a more "commercial" finish.

Until now I didn't realize Enfield made a No1 revolver...I thought that the predecessor to the No2 was the early MkI/MkII revolver from the 1800's. I love learning from this forum :)

I found this over in milsurps from our friend Smellie:

During the Great War, Webley & Scott made Webley revolvers.

Vickers, Sons & Maxim made Vickers Guns.

BSA and Savage made Lewis Guns.

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

When the War ended, everything not wrecked was taken home again and things went back to peacetime. There was a lot of ill-feeling at the time regarding "war profiteers" (very much whipped-up by a headline-seeking mass media), so the next nasty step was politically expedient in the terms of the time.

Government got up on its moral high horse and announced that none of THEM had had anything to do with war profiteering (liars!) and that they had come up with a Grand Solution to the terrible problem of profiting from a war: the Government would repair, develop and manufacture EVERYTHING it needed.

So the Gummint moved everythning to Enfield and Enfield, despite limited facilities, was awarded all this work which they hadn't asked for. So the BSA Lewis Guns were rebuilt and new parts made.... at Enfield. And the Savage Lewises were rebuilt and parts made.... at Enfield. And all the Vickers Guns were rebuilt and new parts and complete new guns were made.... at Enfield. And all the Webley revolvers were rebuilt and new parts were made and even a limited-production run of complete guns was made..... at Enfield. (This is where your gun comes into the tale!)

And this all kept on. The Army wanted a new revolver, so Webley & Scott did almost the entire design on the thing.... and Enfield made it. THIS really rankled, but W&S got even a few years later even after the court cheated them out of half the development costs for the gun they were not allowed to make. The Lanchester was copied from the Germanicon MP-28, but Enfield had to make it. The Bren was developed, but Enfield had to make it. The Oerlikon was adopted, but Enfield had to make it. The Hispano was adopted, but Enfield was supposed to make that also.

So that nice Mister Hitler put a few million of his heavily-armed buddies into Poland and then into Franceicon and the army had to pull out at Dunkirk and the Navy needed small arms and the RAF REALLY needed a whole huge pile of Brownings and Vickers Guns and Hispanos and the Army had hardly any reserve weapons because the peacenik politicians had been destroying freshly-rebuilt rifles up until about 4 years previously and Enfield was only partway set-up to make the Number 4 and didn't have the machines to build the SMLE any longer and the small shop just could not handle the fantastic demands and war production very nearly stopped entirely, right when it was needed most desperately.

In the end, everything worked out. BSA built lots of SMLEs and the majority of Number 4s and even set up a factory for the Bren and Oerlikons were built in one place and Hispanos in another, Vickers made Vickers Guns and Stens were made wherever there was a tinsmith shop (almost) and Webley & Scott were handed a huge contact to make their little Mark IV .38 which they had offered to the Army 10 or 12 years previously, only to have it rejected, but the guns were to be made as fast as possible and to Hades with the finish. So Webley & Scott got their revenge at last: they marked each revolver prominently with the words "WAR FINISH", just in case anyone might have thought that they did finishing THAT sloppy as part of their regular job!
 
The mk6 are quite plentiful - I don't think your search will be that long.

The parts are machined to the same quality standard as far as I can tell. The mk1 here is refinished but all the others aren't - hard to spot the difference in machining quality or finish.



I don't have a side by side picture with an enfield no2 handy, but to my eyes the machining quality is the same. My enfield did not have an easy life though so it's quite worn...

Good info about the war finish above - I assure you that Webley finishes on the mk6 are anything but that :)
 
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the nicest 445 pistols were imported from New Zealand by Allen Lever many years ago. he sold the for $49.95 each. They were ww1 pistols that fought the war in New Zealand as
training guns
 
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