Well I thought I knew what I was after...(shotgun buying advice)

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Well I was thinking about getting the mossberg 500 combo, did some research and talked to some people and was told the 870 is the way to go. Looking into it I feel as though the 870 will do pretty much all I want to do with moderate ease. That said I was told to look at a wingmaster and super mag as well as the Benelli nova and supernova today and well now Im not so sure.

I like trap, that said I dont feel I will benefit from a $2k+ trap rig. Im thinking the vented 28" rib on the 870 will be well enough for me right now. On top of that Ive gotten a lot of invites to hunt recently (havent hunted before and not sure how or if ill like it). The thought of a deer rifle crossed my mind as it allowed to also do some long range precision shooting but the costs involved seemed a little bit more than what I felt to be a somewhat responsible choice, and I use that statement lightly haha

so thats where the idea of a 12ga came in, get something that can be adapted to hunt pretty much w.e I choose at minimal cost and do it all with one gun. trap/dove/deer/goose/duck/turkey/etc/etc/etc

Today I went and checked out some options. I ruled out the wingmaster due to price, for what Id be using it for why spend the money only to have to worry about it every hunt or worse, ruin it on a hunt. I figure if im still as excited about clays as I am now in a year, Ill buy a really nice clay gun that I can pass down should I so choose.
Upon looking at the 870, I was introduced to the 870 super mag. The super mag was not that much more money and as I understand it's added benefit is the 3-1/2" shell (is there anything else it gains over the express model??). For the price difference between the two and the fact they both fall well below my initial budget, I figure the money on the super mag is well spent; that is of course, assuming the supermag is as versatile as the 870 express. By that I mean are most of the components interchangeable ? obviously not so much the internals but what about accessories or aftermarket stocks. Is the receiver the only major difference? I look at the 870 express like a civic, easy, reliable, and you can practically get parts and accessories at the corner store, is this also true of the supermag?
Provided I don't use a 3" shell am I able to use 870-express barrels on the supermag? (I was told the barrels are near impossible to find for the super mag and theyre expensive)

contending were the browning BPS and the Benelli nova and super nova.
The browning I feel isnt quite as much gun for the dollar and more dollar for the name; please correct me if Im mistaken here. I also feel like it would be more costly to modify and harder to find parts with.

the above apply to the nova/supernova as well I feel, although Im told it will be the best option out of the aforementioned shotguns. although priced a bit higher it was explained to me that it is far far superior to the others. the downside being the availability of aftermarket parts or even trying to get additional OEM parts. The supernova allows you to shim the stock, is this something of benefit to me?

basically the options and contenders right now are

Remington 870 express
Remington 870 supermag
Benelli Nova
Benelli SuperNova

annnd maybe a Browning BPS...maybe


sorry for the novel, appreciate any input/advice

Cheers!

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I had a 870, bps and a nova.they all have their advantages. I got the nova because I wanted a workhorse I didn't have to worry about throwing in the duck boat to go hunting and it served that purpose well. I got the bps on trade for the 870 because it was a nicer looking gun. The 870 was my first pump and really had no complaints. For the price and availability of options I don't think you can beat the 870.I really don't think the benelli is worth the extra cost. A wood bps is nice though. I came to realise I don't like plastic guns and sold a few pumps and bought a beretta 391.
 
Hunters used blued barreled guns for a century just fine. I firmly believe the 3.5" shell in 12 ga is over rated. Yes I own several so chambered but the added cost recoil and muzzle blast only comes into play when Manning up against your hunting party. I use 3" for geese and bear and normal 2-3/4" for everything else. The old wing masters are way better then any new Remington. Of your choices I'd go browning bps. They are great guns and worth the money. They are a much more complex design as they load and eject from the bottom. An 870 express is cheap price wise for a reason. They turn out thousands of them and with that quality always lacks. That said for someone new to the sports it is a decent entry gun that can be used for small to big game waterfowl and clays. I prefer mossbergs to the new express but with Shotgunning its all about fit. I routinely out shot my buddies on the trap line using a old sxs baikal. It fits me so well its hard to miss with
 
I much prefer wood stocks, and in fact was thinking about making a stock for the 870, cant imagine it being much harder than my other rifles.
This has me confused...
http://www.basspro.com/Remington-87...2-Gauge-w/28-Barrel-Shotgun/product/10217904/
http://www.basspro.com/Remington-87...2-Gauge-w/26-Barrel-Shotgun/product/10218651/

same gun. shorter barrel, one is camo, one isnt. does the camo really cost an additional $130 ??

Yes!

Of your choices, I would go BPS.
 
As a previous poster commented, gun fit is the key factor in shooting a shotgun consistently. Buy the one that fits you best and feels the most comfortable and natural in your hands.
 
If I read this right you are looking for a gun to mostly shoot casual trap and possibly use it to go after waterfowl. You seem to like the 870. If it were me I would look for a used 870 Magnum. The old 30" full choke barrel will murder trap targets. It will be heavy enough to soak up recoil. It will probably not be pristine, so you won't feel bad about the odd extra scratch. Go buy a 3" rem choked barrel to shoot waterfowl with. You now have a gun capable of both tasks for under $600
 
I'll be the dissenting voice. Buy the super nova. Comfortech stock works well in reducing felt recoil and is adjustable to fit. The only down side is aftermarket parts aren't as easy to come by as those for the 870. Fit is king in shotguns so try as many as you can before you purchase. Like Bryben said if it fits its hard to miss.
 
The supermag i can get new for 385 with a 28" vent rib. Which seemed fairly cheap compared to a quote for the same gun at $600.
I like the idea of buying something quality up front. For some reason this browning seems to have me thinking. That said I looked on the EE to see if I could stretch that same money a bit further used and didnt really see much.
Seeing the play in that remington has really thrown me off that make if im honest. Still contemplating it but not as certain as I was before.
If I can spend that little bit extra and get something id be able to keep and maybe hand down I wouldnt mind doing so. My 195 is my grandfathers first and only. Ill never sell her but she does leave a bit to be desired if im honest. Looks great; shoots not so great.
 
The supermag i can get new for 385 with a 28" vent rib. Which seemed fairly cheap compared to a quote for the same gun at $600.
I like the idea of buying something quality up front
. For some reason this browning seems to have me thinking. That said I looked on the EE to see if I could stretch that same money a bit further used and didnt really see much.
Seeing the play in that remington has really thrown me off that make if im honest. Still contemplating it but not as certain as I was before.
If I can spend that little bit extra and get something id be able to keep and maybe hand down I wouldnt mind doing so. My 195 is my grandfathers first and only. Ill never sell her but she does leave a bit to be desired if im honest. Looks great; shoots not so great.

That's why I said in my earlier post that of your choices you listed, (you had ruled out the wingmaster because of price) get a nice wood stocked BPS.
Yes the express and magnum will work, but as you just stated you are after a bit of higher quality and want something to possibly hand down later on. In my opinion, the express and magnum don't meet what you just stated you are after.
 
Another vote for the older 870 wingmaster, mine in 20ga. isn't going to leave the gun cabinet till i pass on. Maybe i'll take it with me, you never know what you'll run into in the afterlife.:D
 
I'll echo 'Grouseman's' advice ... 3-1/2" isn't necessary.

I'd go for the standard 870 Express in 28", and add a fully rifled cantilever barrel later if you want to go after deer with slugs. Probably more aftermarket stuff for the Rem. 870 than any other shotgun !!!

The BPS is also a good gun but more expensive ... and extra barrels are tougher to come by and pricier as well.
 
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I've had my black synthetic Nova for a year now and it is a rock solid well built basic shotgun. My intention was to putter around with my Trius trap machine and use it on a hunting trip someday. Never saw a hunting trip. I added a Limbsaver recoil pad to it and it takes quite a bit or kick out of it.

It will be up on EE as soon as I can take some pics as I just bought a Beretta Xtrema 3 semi to replace it as a hunting gun.
 
Buy a nice semi like a sx3 and you will have a gun that can be used for everything. Most posters who had pump sold them and surprise surprise bought a semi. Save yourself so more money and buy an sx3.
 
Used to work at a gun store . Buy the browning .... Lots of express came back for warranty work or return/exchange within 24 hours. However never saw a wingmaster come back.
 
i have an express and its been just fine, never any failures and for the price you cant go wrong. but if you want something to last and pass on u have to spend the money. the difference in quality of the wingmaster is worth the extra money. i do agree with pbonura though, i got bored of my pump quick and bought a benelli semi, that gun will last and will def be passed down through my family.
 
Used to work at a gun store too ... saw 1 Express come back in 5 years, but a couple of dozen Mossbergs were returned for
warranty work. Browning wasn't exempt either. The current Remington's aren't as bad as some on the "net" would have you believe.
ALWAYS REMEMBER, "if it was on the Internet it must be true ! "
 
I would have to agree, and go with a browning BPS for the cost and the quality, I would have to say 3.5"in a 12 ga is just overkill and not needed, i do everything and more with 2.75 and 3" no problem, my gun actually patterns way better with a 2.75" shell
 
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