Wet weather shooting

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I shot Thursday afternoon, for part of the time it was raining. The rifle is a Savage 10T-SR in 6.5 Creedmoor with a moderate pressure load (42.5 gr H4350 with 123 gr Sierra Match Kings). It produces 2800 fps out of my rifle. New unfired-previously Lapua brass.
With the rifle horizontal, I don't think any water got in the barrel, and I was careful to keep my ammo covered. I single load, not from a magazine.

I did, however, have wet hands.

For the 5 or 6 consecutive rounds fired during the rain shower, I noticed harder than usual bolt lift and some head swipe (polished area on case head). The identical rounds that were fired during dry conditions didn't show any of these indications. No ejector marks on any of the cases, wet or dry.
I measured the distance from the case head to the shoulder datum, it averages 0.002" longer on the cases that showed heavy bolt lift (fired in the rain).

There might have been a drop or two of water on the bullet itself, but I was being careful to avoid that if possible.

What I'm thinking is that by handling the rounds with wet hands, some water transferred to the cases and acted as a lubricant between the case wall and the chamber.
If the case couldn't grip the chamber walls when the round was fired, it slid back against the bolt head as far as possible and allowed the shoulder to expand further forward. None of the cases showed signs of over-pressure on the primers or ejector marks.
After the rain stopped, I ran a couple dry patches through the barrel and dried the chamber. The next shots under dry conditions were normal.
I usually make sure the chamber is clean and dry before shooting.
Your thoughts?
 
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I have shot in the rain lots. That sounds like moisture all right. It does not take much and the pressure goes way up. That's why I usually stay away from the upper nodes. You just never know when or how moisture gets in there when you are out in the elements.
 
If the head of the case is .002" larger there is a good chance the primer pocket is also .002" larger, the brass has to flow from somewhere. Not really a big deal unless the new primers are loose going in or fall out all together. If the new primer are loose going in, set them aside and use them for fouling/sighters, then chuck them.
I always keep a small hand towel in my shooting box to put over the action when it rains.
 
I haven’t shot all that much in bad weather,
The times i did, i pre loaded all my mags in the truck before going out.
Having your ammo in a mag, and in something dry (inside pockets of rain coat), definitely avoided handling with wet hands.
 
Water is an incompressible fluid, so that if you have it on the case, it will partially/completely fill the void between the case and the chamber. This will increase pressure as there is now a smaller volume for the combustion process to take place in. Then you get steam ... Keep your ammo dry and if you shoot in the rain, consider throwing out your brass or at least inspect it closely for over pressure signs.
 
a towel is always good to have a single drop of water on the case can create a 5000psi increase so if you’re already on a higher node
over pressure is not very far
always use caution with wet weather and winter

one time a friend of mine dropped a cartridge in the snow and didn’t dried it properly
very sticky bolt and blown primer
 
Yup, agree with some above statements - water drop on case is acting like lube and not allowing case to stick to chamber wall, case goes back into bolt head upon firing as well expands to shoulders - exact same thing happens if your chamber or case has residual oil /lube. Bad deal.
Keep em dry!
 
Ya... I've popped a primer or two in the rain before....

We used to use large freezer bags to keep water out of the action and put about 4 fired cases inside for weight and drape it over the scope.

Since the freezer bags are transparent the RO could inspect our actions.

As above... you still need to keep the ammo dry... that's the hard part.

I got my hands on a bunch of (plastic) machinists end mill containers and put my ammo in them when it rains. Then I pop the top and dump it straight into the chamber before it has a chance to get wet.

Sometimes you just need to get creative.
 
The best solution for this is to test your load when wet and stay away from the high node. I know guys who dip their rounds in a cup of water and then shoot them to make sure they don't get blown primers and pressure spikes when shooting in the rain. If you shoot field matches and it's raining hard, there is no way to keep your ammo dry. I have a wrap that goes all the way around my scope and action and it helps but your ammo will get wet regardless.
 
The best solution for this is to test your load when wet and stay away from the high node. I know guys who dip their rounds in a cup of water and then shoot them to make sure they don't get blown primers and pressure spikes when shooting in the rain. If you shoot field matches and it's raining hard, there is no way to keep your ammo dry. I have a wrap that goes all the way around my scope and action and it helps but your ammo will get wet regardless.

This would be a good policy for hunting or even for competition shooters in open class... since they can select calibers with exceedingly high muzzle velocities and they don't need to squeeze out the last FPS

Where guys usually need/prefer to run balls to the wall pressures is in FTR and Tactical division in PRS where they are limited to 223 or 308. They don't have the option to run Ackley-ish improved versions and then dial back from max pressures if they want to be competitive.

I know... I know... safety first right. The longer you've been competing the more you learn to respect that.
 
Just have 2 loads. Match load & a rain load that is slower, and older brass in case it still gets wrecked.
 
This would be a good policy for hunting or even for competition shooters in open class... since they can select calibers with exceedingly high muzzle velocities and they don't need to squeeze out the last FPS

Where guys usually need/prefer to run balls to the wall pressures is in FTR and Tactical division in PRS where they are limited to 223 or 308. They don't have the option to run Ackley-ish improved versions and then dial back from max pressures if they want to be competitive.

I know... I know... safety first right. The longer you've been competing the more you learn to respect that.

Blowing primers is no better in tac class than in open... I've shot plenty of matches in Tac where the speed limit is 2750 with 175s (and that's where my load is) and had a few heavy bolt lifts but no blown primers and that's shooting in full on rain storms. You're also only (theoretically) competing against other shooters in tac division so if you're load is lower pressure and you're not having weird over-pressure issues then you're doing better than the guy who keeps blowing primers and his action gets all fouled up. Just saying.
 
Blowing primers is no better in tac class than in open... I've shot plenty of matches in Tac where the speed limit is 2750 with 175s (and that's where my load is) and had a few heavy bolt lifts but no blown primers and that's shooting in full on rain storms. You're also only (theoretically) competing against other shooters in tac division so if you're load is lower pressure and you're not having weird over-pressure issues then you're doing better than the guy who keeps blowing primers and his action gets all fouled up. Just saying.

Seems like you didn't read between the lines rugbydave with my comment....

I know... I know... safety first right. The longer you've been competing the more you learn to respect that.

That was not sarcasm.

My point is that a guy running a 6 creed (with all the speed he might need and then some) need not be tempted to run at high pressures for any reason... although I understand why a guy in a caliber restricted class would be temped to... in the long run it's just not worth it.... safety first.
 
Seems like you didn't read between the lines rugbydave with my comment....

I know... I know... safety first right. The longer you've been competing the more you learn to respect that.

That was not sarcasm.

My point is that a guy running a 6 creed (with all the speed he might need and then some) need not be tempted to run at high pressures for any reason... although I understand why a guy in a caliber restricted class would be temped to... in the long run it's just not worth it.... safety first.


Fair enough, my sarcasm detector was turned off. As a guy who runs a 6 Creed in open, let me tell you that the temptation to run hot is just as strong, haha. A 110 SMK moving at 3100fps is a wonderful thing, haha
 
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