What Accuracy Can You Expect from a LRB M-25?

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I am thinking of picking up a lightly used LRB M-25 from a co-worker of mine. I ran a google search for this info and could not find a consensus about the accuracy of these rigs. Some people say you're lucky to consistently get 1.5 MOA and others say they can get .5 MOA regularly. This rifle made entirely from LRB parts and is in a un-bedded walnut stock. It is not rear lugged either.

Can anyone who owns a rifle like this one weigh in on what sort of accuracy you can generally expect from this gun? Also, what kind of ammo does she like best?

Thanks!
 
I think 0.5 MOA is unlikely but 1.5 MOA or a bit better is doable depending on the rifle. Does the rifle have a standard or a medium weight barrel? Any accuracy tweaks?

If it is basically a stock rifle with a standard weight barrel, I think you would likely get 2-4 MOA.

Ammo will depend on the rifle but many find good results from 168 and 175 Federal Gold Medal Match or 168 Hornady Match.

See TonyBen's recent post on his rifle. This is the upper end of what could be expected of this type of rifle.
 
I would most defently buy it, but it is a cost endeavour. I did the rockola route and kinda wished I did the m25 lrb but am gaining confidence in the m14.ca mount.
The jra shot 3-4 inch group out of the box, I bought a Troy battle rail and it did worse than irons. I bought a op rod guide, Tin coated gas piston and sage chassis. It's now shooting just over a inch at 100 with factory match. With hand loads I'm
Hoping to bring it under a inch. Costs big money to get a inch group with m14's. Be prepared.
 
So generally I can expect over 1.5 MOA groupings out of the box? kind of crummy considering its a $4000 rifle no?
 
cz858lover said:
So generally I can expect over 1.5 MOA groupings out of the box? kind of crummy considering its a $4000 rifle no?
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If you're looking for the best (semi-auto) accuracy for your dollar, there are definitely better deals (AR 10, FN FNAR, etc.). I think these rifles are more for enthusiasts of the M14/M1A platform and for 1960's main battle rifles (FAL, G3, etc.) and by that measure, they can be made to be outstanding shooters.
 
Do you think as an over all rating, not taking into account at all price, would the FNAR be a better choice over the LRB M25?

I hear the M14 is super reliable, how would the FNAR compare for reliability?

And I'm ONLY into non-restricted rifles. having a restricted rifle really makes no sense to me. Are there any other good NR options to consider?
 
cz858lover said:
Do you think as an over all rating, not taking into account at all price, would the FNAR be a better choice over the LRB M25?
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Depends on what you want to do with it. For general target shooting or hunting it probably is. I've seen FNARs reliably shoot MOA or a tad less with the right ammo, and they are considerably less expensive than an M25.


cz858lover said:
I hear the M14 is super reliable, how would the FNAR compare for reliability?

And I'm ONLY into non-restricted rifles. having a restricted rifle really makes no sense to me. Are there any other good NR options to consider?
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I'm not sure who can comment credibly on relative reliability of the two platforms (not me for sure). You'd have to have thousands of rounds through multiple copies of both platforms to even start to have a credible opinion. I've had really good experience with my M305 (2500+ rounds with not one issue) but others haven't been so fortunate. I think most rifles in good tune are very reliable, especially the main battle rifles - there's just so much energy in the recoil cycle that it's hard to stop it (compared to a 223/5.56).

Other than an FNAR I think the NR semi, 308 shelf is quite bare. Others here will chime in since there are other options but opinions will vary regarding accuracy out of the box. If you are going to do any accurizing work on a platform, the M14 becomes a viable alternative. Remember that with the LRB M25 you'd be going to the high-end of the M14-type rifles - and you're paying a lot for the scope mount, brand/quality that doesn't necessarily translate into pure accuracy.

See below the performance of TonyBen's M25 with a heavy barrel, JAE stock and all the accuracy tweaks. I'd say this was really good for a semi. If you want more accuracy then a bolt gun is your friend.


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the one thing everyone fails to add to these discussions is the actual shooters skills.
These rifles require a certain level of skill to shoot accurately regardless of the sticker price.
My LRB M25 sports a medium stainless Krieger barrel, all usgi parts and built by me at a cost/value exceeding 5000.00. On a good day if I am in perfect shooting form, she is a sub moa rifle with the barrel in the right temperature range.
I've let a few people shoot her and only one can shoot her like I do.
Tony ben's rifle is a great example of a finely tuned m14 type rifle that any M14 enthusiast can surely appreciate.
That said, one should not expect every high dollar m14 type rifle to perform that way, especially if they aren't an experienced shooter like we know tonyben is.
On the flip side, do a search for Rugbydave's thread/posts about his rifle, which is not an LRB but yet the shooter and the rifle come together to print some outstanding groups at similar ranges to the targets posted above.

you buy an LRB for the same reason you buy an astin martin vanquish ..... because you want what you think is the best and have the money to buy it. I own an LRB M25...... and one day before I'm dead I'd love to have a Vanquish but we all have to dream about something hehehe

if you can truly afford one, buy it
if you are having to pinch and save and buy it on credit..... do yourself a favour and realize that just because it has a high price tag, doesn't mean it is the best when it comes down to putting little holes in paper. There are more affordable options that are just as pleasurable to shoot.
 
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So generally I can expect over 1.5 MOA groupings out of the box? kind of crummy considering its a $4000 rifle no?
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Not really, the design of the rifle is not ideal for precision. The FNAR is basically a Browning BAR Shortrack with a heavy barrel and detachable magazine. They are very precise for the money.
 
I have a LRB M25 and a RFB hunter.
The RFB is slightly more accurate.
With my M25 (like any good M14) I had to try many loads, various stock, handguard, piston and such to shrink 2-4moa into 1moa groups.

OP we still don't know what you need it for.
FNAR seems like a great value and with a heavy barrel should be the most accurate .308 NR semi.
It can probably be as reliable as the more expensive M25, XCR-M, RFB or 542.
 
I think you have to look at it from a specific perspective. The LRB M25 is simply the receiver. It has nothing to do with accuracy, except in the sense that it gives you a superior foundation for mounting a GOOD QUALITY scope on an M14 patterned receiver with GOOD QUALITY RINGS. I guess the questions you should be asking are as follows:

What is the intended use for my precision rifle build?
What receiver brand/type do I want to build my precision M14-type rifle on?
What barrel do I want to use for optimum accuracy at XYZ distance?
What stock/chassis system do I want to use for my precision rifle build?
Can the rifle be built in phases, or do I want the end goal immediately?
What other accuracy-enhancing components should I use on my precision rifle?
Who do I want to build my precision rifle?
How much do I want to spend?

Any M14 built with good parts a good barrel and a sturdy stock/chassis that is properly fitted, adjusted or bedded should shoot ~1.5MOA. What's that last 0.5 MOA worth to you?

Oh, and thanks for the comments, guys! I'm building a precision M14 right now for a customer on a Bula XM21 receiver with the same 5R barrel/chamber I use on my rifle and a JAE-100G3 in titanium grey. It should be done by week's end. I'll let you all know how it shoots.

Tony.
 
This is a typical hundred yard / ten (10) round group fired from my LRB M25 with heavy Krieger.

The flyer has to do with tension at the contact point between gas system and stock. If it's nicely polished and greased and with preload tension just right, flyers are less frequent. Or just tap the gas system lightly between shots to settle it down.

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Everything that was said above plus:

I dropped $1000 for a Springfield M1A Standard that a friend needed to get rid of for financial reasons. I upgraded the spring guide and it shoots sub (just) MOA. Luck of the draw, sometimes.
 
The LRB M25 is the best or close to the best M14 type rifle you can buy but as others have said you need to know how to shoot a M14 type rifle ( ie have some real marksmanship skills ) and they do perform best with finely tuned ammo. However and regardless of your skill and the ammo most entry level bolt guns will outperform the most expensive M14 type rifle if the benchmark of performance is accuracy as they are, quite simply, different platforms designed to do different jobs. An analogy would be that a basic entry level pickup can likely haul a greater weight of cargo than can the most expensive sports car.

You may be interested on my specific thoughts of my LRB M25 which can be found here: https://rifletalk.org/2015/04/13/a-year-later-an-owners-review-of-a-lrb-m25-medium-match/?wref=tp
 
powmia56 said:
Everything that was said above plus:

I dropped $1000 for a Springfield M1A Standard that a friend needed to get rid of for financial reasons. I upgraded the spring guide and it shoots sub (just) MOA. Luck of the draw, sometimes.
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wow, dude, good to see you post up. I don't post much here either these days, but damn, shoot me a message, all my contact info is changed.
 
Most guns if not all will out preform the shooter, a better questions is how good of a shot are you
 
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