What air guns are now prohibited

Depending on the velocity... under or over 495 f/s makes it legal or not

at least that is what I believe...
 
No airguns are now prohibited.

If there was a full power ( pal rated ) all the under 500 fps would be replicas of the PAL rated. There were people that registered examples Crosman 2240 as restricted firearm. So sub 500 would be a replica. Same with 1322, 1377. Not sure why someone would register theirs.

I think their point going after airguns, were to go after the ones that use real looking for crimes. I'm sure they are change replica law to be more vague targeting more.
 
Pretty much all comes down to airgun Brands and Models that are so far approved for sell in Canada.
We have not many bullpups for example, and not many semi auto's. And air handguns/pistols ones built by the manufacturers as (air) handguns for single hand use stay as is no matter if you add a longer barrel or a stock - which would physically require a two hands use. There is a good read about these regulations in Canadian airgun forums, I will paste the links only way below.
I had this situation several years ago, a sub 500 fps project handgun {this was a development project for orders from US customers}, the ameries like it big and powerful....
I replaced a 8" barrel with a 12" barrel, machined some upgrade internals for better tunability , this all resulted a higher projectile speed (as per request from US customers). And of course in Canada the definition automatically switch from PAL to RPAL. When I finished my designs on the project I decided that I don't want to hassle with RPAL with an air pistol and the approval process may be way too lengthy, I killed the project beside a fact I received many calls to make it available to Canada...I just didn't want to take a responsibility how some kids would play with it.
The US or EU market for example have a lot more options to buy, but safe to say 90% of those airguns were not previously approved in Canada.
I am also eyeing couple semi auto's offshore, but getting them to my hand is just way too much work.


Links to PAL/RPAL info on handguns:

https://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/topic43029.html
https://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/topic67184.html
 
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bigHUN said:
Pretty much all comes down to airgun Brands and Models that are so far approved for sell in Canada.
We have not many bullpups for example, and not many semi auto's. And air handguns/pistols ones built by the manufacturers as (air) handguns for single hand use stay as is no matter if you add a longer barrel or a stock - which would physically require a two hands use. There is a good read about these regulations in Canadian airgun forums, I will paste the links only way below.
I had this situation several years ago, a sub 500 fps project handgun {this was a development project for orders from US customers}, the ameries like it big and powerful....
I replaced a 8" barrel with a 12" barrel, machined some upgrade internals for better tunability , this all resulted a higher projectile speed (as per request from US customers). And of course in Canada the definition automatically switch from PAL to RPAL. When I finished my designs on the project I decided that I don't want to hassle with RPAL with an air pistol and the approval process may be way too lengthy, I killed the project beside a fact I received many calls to make it available to Canada...I just didn't want to take a responsibility how some kids would play with it.
The US or EU market for example have a lot more options to buy, but safe to say 90% of those airguns were not previously approved in Canada.
I am also eyeing couple semi auto's offshore, but getting them to my hand is just way too much work.


Links to PAL/RPAL info on handguns:

https://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/topic43029.html
https://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/topic67184.html
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I’m talking about c21 and basically calling some replicas.
 
Was the C21 approved? Last time I read it was back to the table, but really I had no reason for much further attention to it.
I got rid of all my replicas somewhere last year, but keeping an eye on one semi auto bullpup if I could get it to my hands easier somehow.
 
It all comes down to muzzle velocity. Between 366 and 500 fps it is not currently illegal.

The initial draft of C21 wanted to close what the Liberals saw as a loophole and make these illegal as well, but there was such an outcry, mostly from the airsoft community, that prohibition of airsofts was quietly dropped. Its pretty clear to me. Umarex legends are currently legal and there is nothing currently in the works to change this. Of course there is no guarantee that this will not change in the future.....
 
..... if the new caliber/bore diameter restrictions apply to bigbore air rifles?
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No does not, only the barrel length cannot be shorter then 18" or the total rifle length cannot be shorter then 26" . So the rule of "or" is a driver not to call it a prohibited weapon.
 
Ummm..not understanding this last post...an air pistol is treated no different from an air rifle...barrel length does not apply
 
bigHUN said:
No does not, only the barrel length cannot be shorter then 18" or the total rifle length cannot be shorter then 26" . So the rule of "or" is a driver not to call it a prohibited weapon.
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Actually air rifles kinda share the same rules as NR manual action rifles. You can have any barrel length as long as the rifle is longer than 26" oal. I don't think anyone been charged with shortening a barrel of an airgun under 18". I had 2260's, Maximnus with 14" barrels. But those were factory.

Man for a airgunner, you really don't know the laws or rules.
 
Just to clarify, my intention is not to initiate a drama with this :)
We have two scenarios here, if we look at the surface only everything is clear as a mud, if we start deep diving that will get messy if you get to a front of a law.
- air pistol, which is meant to be used as a single hand operation, I posted a link earlier I will not repeat the variations how these could be interpreted as non-RPAL or RPAL.
- air rifle, which is meant to be used with two hands, can be a non- PAL or PAL.
I will go from here deeper into details.
-- 18" of barrel length = from muzzle end to breach end - OR - 26" of total length = from muzzle end to buttock end.
-- for both air pistol and air rifle - if you remove the action block = trigger assembly - cannot operate on its own.
I have an example air rifle I will try to detail out.

I have the Edgun Leshiy2 semi auto air rifle.
In Canada it was sold with a 350 mm long barrel which is about 14", but a total length exceeds 26".
That same rifle was sold in US and available to most of the World with a 250mm = 12" barrel.
And we can swap these barrels between calibers .117 and .22 and .25.
Along the time the developers added also calibers in .30 and .35, but these need a lot more juice, so a bigger/ longer plenum surfaced as well.
So, hypothetically we can now swap the "original" 350mm=14" barrel with a 250mm=12" and still have the Total=overall length longer then 26".
Now, the next is the trigger block. A real genius design...
The L2 is folding by half and can be disconnected, and now you have a part in each of your hands, but no on of halfs cannot operate on its own.
Me personally not a fan of short barrels, I have tried the stock 350mm and upgraded to 450mm and upgraded again to 600mm barrel. My current caliber is a .22 which is capable of MOA @ 50 meters, but the L2 trigger is more like AR style not really meant for target shooting but more for hunting. I have also barrels/liners with different rifling like 1:15 1:18 1:24 1:28 1:32 but that is another long story.

Huh, enough for typing.
And, sorry OP for derailing your thread. From here shall be clear what "replicas" can work and what models were removed from the table.
 
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Just buy air pistols with a velocity of less than 500fps. If above this, from my understanding, it's a restricted/prohib pistol depending on barrel length.

So theoretically can you have a .50+ cal air pistol with a velocity of less than 500fps and not require a Pal/RPal??
 
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