What are my options for. 45 or 50 cal pcp no pal?
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My take on it? No offence, but a big cal like that under 500 fps you better shoot it with slingshot.
I cannot give you other advise but read about "air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 meters or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds)"
Even if you would make it low as 499 fps, the big = and heavy projectile will exceed the 4.2 fpe.
I cannot give you other advise but read about "air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 meters or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds)"
Even if you would make it low as 499 fps, the big = and heavy projectile will exceed the 4.2 fpe.
Go re-read the section you actually quoted!
Must be over the velocity, AND over the energy. This was put in place to avoid having the likes of CTire end up being fined/punished, for selling illegal handguns, as they also sold very light weight "blah-blah Percent FASTER! Higher velocities!" light weight pellets.
You can launch bowling balls at under 500 FPS, and be legal. And you can shoot a styrofoam bead, about as fast as you might care to, as long as you do not exceed the energy limit. But you cannot exceed both in one package, and remain under the Limits.
No, that would be 450 FPS. And too much money for what you get, IMO.
Get back to us when you actually UNDERSTAND what the Laws are saying.
And, if you should doubt, run the energy numbers, on about any non-pal air gun, rifle or pistol, that is legally available out of any store that sells such, using the weight of standard lead pellets in both .177 and .22 caliber.
By YOUR benchmark, they should all be illegal, but they are not!
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No it's not. It's only PAL if it exceeds 500 FPS. You can have a 400 fps airgun, but 2000 fpe and it be non PAL.
If it's a pistol and exceeds 500 fps and 4.2 fpe it becomes restricted. And yes there are registered restricted Crosman 2240. They make kits for Crosman that are at least 30 cal. Valve dont really have much volume to really push bigger cals.
I'd say stick with airguns, but you don't even know the rules.
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That's correct...I found this out years ago when looking for air rifles before I had my PAL...for it to be considered a firearm, it has to exceed both the FPS and the FPE thresholds
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/specific-types-firearms#ag
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/specific-types-firearms#ag
Yes. EVERY word in a LAW Matters!
The key takeaway from that poorly (though less so than some gun Laws) written example, is that it must be over 500 fps AND over 4.7 Joules energy! It is not an If/Or proposition, must exceed BOTH criteria, or it is not considered a Firearm, until you do something stupid with it, like wave it around a 7-11 parking lot, or take random potshots at the neighbor's kids, no matter what a bunch of A-Holes they may be.
Do that sort of thing, and, you are pretty much signing up for the shower ### club at the local Prison! Deservedly so, it's the payoff for being stupid, and doing stupid things!
But, ferchristsake, stop repeating bad information as if it was Fact, as it just makes you look dumber than you really need to be seen. (not related to the guy I quoted here!)
I know my reply is not quite what the OP was asking but it might be of interest to him.
There is a bigbore airgun designer in the USA who makes very large calibre air rifles and pistols. I met Dennis many years ago at a Minnesota airgun show and his unique workmanship will catch your eye. Most of his stuff would be PAL rated but he does make a .58cal PCP pistol that shoots a 283gr round ball at 530fps max (over 170fpe). Dennis could shorten the 14" barrel to get it to stay under 500fps.
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/currently_available.htm
There is a bigbore airgun designer in the USA who makes very large calibre air rifles and pistols. I met Dennis many years ago at a Minnesota airgun show and his unique workmanship will catch your eye. Most of his stuff would be PAL rated but he does make a .58cal PCP pistol that shoots a 283gr round ball at 530fps max (over 170fpe). Dennis could shorten the 14" barrel to get it to stay under 500fps.
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/currently_available.htm
