What are the weight on your PRS style rifles?
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Mystic Precision
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I hope to be around 10-11lbs with optics when done.. you can see the start of my 783 build a few posts away.
Jerry
Jerry
First can someone please explain to me what a PRS style system is?.....I have competed in a number of PRS matches in the states and have seen every make model and type of rifle shooting at these matches ( Kombyotch you can vouch for me on this one)...a lot of off the shelf savages and tikkas and regular rem 700 shot by guys with military backgrounds and higher end training and they are not in the lower end of the match at the end of the day, know your rifle and know your load, style has really no bearing on what your doing until you been to enough to to know what you want to improve on your system to take you to the next level not what the AVERAGE is doing......my system weight is 18.5 ...alot of guys run a weight between 15-18 lbs but that don't matter one bit cuz you are not everyone else ....run what you like for weight and what you can manage who cares if it weighs 8 lbs or 20 lbs if it feels great to you and you can hit your targets in the positions you need to be in mission accomplished.
Or just pretend the question was worded like this. "How much does the rifle you use for PRS weigh"
I have never shot in a PRS event. But you only need to watch a few videos to see that a lot of guys run some specialty equipment in it. Especially when it comes to bags and pump pillows.
I believe it's the MPA chassis that has a barricade stop and such on it. That is pretty guaranteed a PRS type of accessory. Not too many guys are gonna run barricade stops on their hunting rifles.
I am sure there are tons of different guns and gear that guys run at PRS events. But to think there isn't some specialty stuff or considerations based solely on that style of shooting is probably a bit misleading. Making the rifles guys have bought or built for PRS shooting. "PRS style" rifles.
I have never shot in a PRS event. But you only need to watch a few videos to see that a lot of guys run some specialty equipment in it. Especially when it comes to bags and pump pillows.
I believe it's the MPA chassis that has a barricade stop and such on it. That is pretty guaranteed a PRS type of accessory. Not too many guys are gonna run barricade stops on their hunting rifles.
I am sure there are tons of different guns and gear that guys run at PRS events. But to think there isn't some specialty stuff or considerations based solely on that style of shooting is probably a bit misleading. Making the rifles guys have bought or built for PRS shooting. "PRS style" rifles.
Yup, Thorvikingpower shoots the matches. And I agree with what he is saying. You will see everything under the sun at a match. People will go with what they have or based on an idea of what the matches are. Once you've shot some matches, you get an idea of what works for you.
When you look at what the people going to the finale are using, there are some trends. Equipment is changing, and that makes sense. Equipment isn't issued and fixed, you choose it yourself, so why not customize it to something that works better? Precision rifles were traditional built and configured for prone shooting. But that doesn't make a lot of sense if most of your shots are not from prone. Barrels have changed from a preference towards MTU and M24 to Palma profiles and Sendero. Scopes have evolved and now we are seeing actions and stocks evolving as well. The barricade stop on the MPA is an example. I think that is just the tip of the iceberg....
To the original question; what weight? Well, it's a little more complicated than just a total weight. It's not just weight, it's balance. Balance isn't important if you're only shooting off the bipod or always putting the bipod on the barricade. But, once you start having to shoot in confined spaces, that's not always possible. Also doesn't work well when you put the rifle in a HOG saddle. And lets add positional shooting to that, with timings that don't allow you to sling in. A barrel heavy setup works against you when you start moving the balance point back.
This is how my rifle is configured:
That's isn't a HOG saddle, it's just sitting loosely on a U-shaped rest. But, it's perfectly balanced. I don't have to fight the barrel. The barrel is a 26" Medium Palma, but that alone isn't what balances it. Notice the black block under the cheek riser? It's made from carbon steel. Weighs about 2 1/4 lbs. That's right, I've added 2 1/4 lbs. to the rifle. And you know what? It makes it EASIER to shoot because it balances the rifle. Total weight is just over 18 lbs., but I'll take it over the 16 lbs. without the weight.
Few other things I've done to improve handling. Notice there are no butt spacer? Stock is as short as possible. And I'm 6'4"! Scope is also in a Badger cantilevered Unimount. What does this do for me? Well, it makes it easier to shoot positions with. When I shoot standing, I can keep my support arm perfectly vertical and lean it against my body. That means that I've achieved complete bone support. Don't need a sling or a bag to add mechanical support, the rifle balances itself on my hand right in front of the magazine. If I add a small weight to the back of the stock (small bag of shot), the rifle now balances on the mag. Ever see how Service Rifle shooters shoot an AR off their knee. I can do that too with my PR rifle. Again, no sling needed. Complete bone support achieved without one.
When you look at what the people going to the finale are using, there are some trends. Equipment is changing, and that makes sense. Equipment isn't issued and fixed, you choose it yourself, so why not customize it to something that works better? Precision rifles were traditional built and configured for prone shooting. But that doesn't make a lot of sense if most of your shots are not from prone. Barrels have changed from a preference towards MTU and M24 to Palma profiles and Sendero. Scopes have evolved and now we are seeing actions and stocks evolving as well. The barricade stop on the MPA is an example. I think that is just the tip of the iceberg....
To the original question; what weight? Well, it's a little more complicated than just a total weight. It's not just weight, it's balance. Balance isn't important if you're only shooting off the bipod or always putting the bipod on the barricade. But, once you start having to shoot in confined spaces, that's not always possible. Also doesn't work well when you put the rifle in a HOG saddle. And lets add positional shooting to that, with timings that don't allow you to sling in. A barrel heavy setup works against you when you start moving the balance point back.
This is how my rifle is configured:
That's isn't a HOG saddle, it's just sitting loosely on a U-shaped rest. But, it's perfectly balanced. I don't have to fight the barrel. The barrel is a 26" Medium Palma, but that alone isn't what balances it. Notice the black block under the cheek riser? It's made from carbon steel. Weighs about 2 1/4 lbs. That's right, I've added 2 1/4 lbs. to the rifle. And you know what? It makes it EASIER to shoot because it balances the rifle. Total weight is just over 18 lbs., but I'll take it over the 16 lbs. without the weight.
Few other things I've done to improve handling. Notice there are no butt spacer? Stock is as short as possible. And I'm 6'4"! Scope is also in a Badger cantilevered Unimount. What does this do for me? Well, it makes it easier to shoot positions with. When I shoot standing, I can keep my support arm perfectly vertical and lean it against my body. That means that I've achieved complete bone support. Don't need a sling or a bag to add mechanical support, the rifle balances itself on my hand right in front of the magazine. If I add a small weight to the back of the stock (small bag of shot), the rifle now balances on the mag. Ever see how Service Rifle shooters shoot an AR off their knee. I can do that too with my PR rifle. Again, no sling needed. Complete bone support achieved without one.
You'd be surprised how much easier it is to hold the rifle once you balance it and shorten the stock, when you can get your forearm perfectly vertical. The weight of the rifles pushes your tricep against your torso and that supports it. There are no arm or shoulder muscles involved at that point. I've often considered running a chassis just so that I could use a collapsible stock exactly for this reason.
I should have also mentioned that with the rifle configure that way, I can cycle the bolt in the standing and kneeling position without coming out of position, staying completely on target.
I should have also mentioned that with the rifle configure that way, I can cycle the bolt in the standing and kneeling position without coming out of position, staying completely on target.
A few images to illustrate what I mean.
Many people will shoot standing like this:
This shooter is using a tremendous amount of muscle to support the rifle. With a barrel-heavy prone configured rifle, you pretty much have to have your support hand way forward. So, people will try to add mechanical support by adding a sling and a bag under the support arm. Cumbersome!
Lets look a a couple disciplines that shoot standing with great precision and aren't allowed to use bags or slings:
Biathlon shooter
Metalic silhouette shooter
Notice the support arm is vertical and the tricep is supported by being tight against the body. Very stable, and no sling or bag required. But, in order to be able to do this, the stock has to be shorter than you would ideally use for prone shooting and the rifle needs to be balanced at the point where the rifle is supported.
Many people will shoot standing like this:
This shooter is using a tremendous amount of muscle to support the rifle. With a barrel-heavy prone configured rifle, you pretty much have to have your support hand way forward. So, people will try to add mechanical support by adding a sling and a bag under the support arm. Cumbersome!
Lets look a a couple disciplines that shoot standing with great precision and aren't allowed to use bags or slings:
Biathlon shooter
Metalic silhouette shooter
Notice the support arm is vertical and the tricep is supported by being tight against the body. Very stable, and no sling or bag required. But, in order to be able to do this, the stock has to be shorter than you would ideally use for prone shooting and the rifle needs to be balanced at the point where the rifle is supported.
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
k, is bang on.. the evolution of the PRS rifle will allow shooters to have better control of their rifle in multi position shooting. Weight and balance is key to many multiposition shooting disciplines.... NA tactical shooters just haven't paid attention... until now.
Will be very interesting to see how things evolve. Alot of current tech is going to have to change.
I would love to see an action function with the same type of ease and speed as a biathlon rifle... that would be cool
Jerry
Will be very interesting to see how things evolve. Alot of current tech is going to have to change.
I would love to see an action function with the same type of ease and speed as a biathlon rifle... that would be cool
Jerry
Blaser comes close.
Mystic Precision
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Besides expensive price... will it merge with common deg mags?
As a stand alone design, it will have its limits... I am not really keen on its trigger group set up.
I am also not sure how well it will survive more agressive use... I know there are "sniper" type rifles but no feedback on how they work.
I also do not think the action is easy to make other accessories for????
Jerry
