What are the weight on your PRS style rifles?

Mystic Precision said:
Besides expensive price... will it merge with common deg mags?

As a stand alone design, it will have its limits... I am not really keen on its trigger group set up.

I am also not sure how well it will survive more agressive use... I know there are "sniper" type rifles but no feedback on how they work.

I also do not think the action is easy to make other accessories for????

Jerry
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I have shot over 25 000 rounds with this rifle in various calibers, There is only 3 problems with the Blaser Tac2
- Caliber choices are not good for PRS (no 6 or 6.5mm)
- Only 5 round mag
- Customer service is crap borderline non existent...

Don't worry about anything else...
 
PRS introduced the Tactical Division this year for people to be able to compete with their 308 or 223 and still get a chance to go to the finale. Keep in mind though that it only has meaning for the finale. If you finish 51st. in match but are the highest Tactical Division shooters, you will get the 100 PRS points, but you'll still probably only be getting stickers and patches off the prize table...

5 Round mag is workable if you've practiced your mag changes. The only place it may hurt you is in a tie on a stage that has a prize or the PRS Skills stages because they now use stage time to break ties in score.
 
Arrowhead said:
I have shot over 25 000 rounds with this rifle in various calibers, There is only 3 problems with the Blaser Tac2
- Caliber choices are not good for PRS (no 6 or 6.5mm)
- Only 5 round mag
- Customer service is crap borderline non existent...

Don't worry about anything else...
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I believe the Blaser has a type of barrel extension which they will not sell to the general public. If there are no parts, how do you support the action?

If they only use proprietory mags, that can be a problem if there is a shortage or costs sky rocket. With all your competitors able to run 10 or higher cap mags, it is a disadvantage.

If customer service is not good, how do you repair and maintain the rifle... yes, maybe it will last a good long time. maybe something breaks and the rifle is DOA for months?

When I look at the kit I will compete with, support and parts are a big part of that decision. There are many type and brands with wonderful stuff but support is near nil... I can't afford to be left with broken stuff.

I really hope the 308/223 class grows and is given a larger piece of the prize pie. Like F class, this separation has done very well for the sport and kept things growing. Today, FTR is where the leading edge of tech is... and where the number of shooters is growing the fastest/most.

Given the pool of possible shooters and gear in the US, it just makes sense.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
I believe the Blaser has a type of barrel extension which they will not sell to the general public. If there are no parts, how do you support the action?

If they only use proprietory mags, that can be a problem if there is a shortage or costs sky rocket. With all your competitors able to run 10 or higher cap mags, it is a disadvantage.

If customer service is not good, how do you repair and maintain the rifle... yes, maybe it will last a good long time. maybe something breaks and the rifle is DOA for months?

When I look at the kit I will compete with, support and parts are a big part of that decision. There are many type and brands with wonderful stuff but support is near nil... I can't afford to be left with broken stuff.

I really hope the 308/223 class grows and is given a larger piece of the prize pie. Like F class, this separation has done very well for the sport and kept things growing. Today, FTR is where the leading edge of tech is... and where the number of shooters is growing the fastest/most.

Given the pool of possible shooters and gear in the US, it just makes sense.

Jerry
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Barrel extensions were for shooter using metalics sight (longuer sight radius)

Like TRG they have their on mags ( 5 rounds only ) and they cost around 250$, I agree that if you have more than 5 targets to engage you loose your straight pull advantage...

They have gunsmiths in Canada that does repair work but getting in touch with Blaser is almost imposible, I tried to contact via email Blaser Germany and Blaser USA about a small bolt problem and did not get an answer from either of them, a friend tried to contact Blaser Germany to know where he could buy a bolt face in Canada and he also did not get a reply

Rifles are realy good, from 12 different Tac2 (mine and friend's) in the last 15 years I only seen 3 brakes, I had a crack stock (probably an air bubble in the mold) it took a year to get a new one but rifle shot great, also broke a screw on a saddle mount (hold LRS2 model, same day fix) and a friend broke a mag, drop it on ciment at -30c

I dont shoot them anymore because of customer service and poor caliber choice, but I still think they are the most accurate rifle you can buy, I have built many top of the line customs some have come close but none has beaten de Blaser. To give you an idea of how much the barrels are tuff, on one of my 338LM I put 1200 rounds (hot load) and only had 0.0005 throat erosion
 
Again, not questioning the quality of the product... just that they are a "closed loop" and really don't want us mucking with the product. Nor are they reactive to shooting sports over here.

Pretty typical of overseas products where "hot rodding" is simply not part of the domestic gun culture.

I will just stick with Fords and Chevy's.... now if there was a Shelby, life could be very good.

Jerry
 
Interesting thread. Completely agree the "tactical pillows" are cumbersome and, while they work, there's better ways to get stable.

I'll have to look at balancing my rifle better.
 
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My experience in this and in Service Rifle is that this:

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Is far more stable and requires far less muscle than this:

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And it's much faster to get into. But in order to do it, you need to shorten the stock and move the scope forward. Even with the sling and a bag, it doesn't take long for the positon to get painful with a heavy rifle.
 
This discussion has got me thinking. I have a TRG that I will be using this year as my "PRS" gun. Thinking I might track down a KRG rear end to slap on there and then I can have the adjustable but.

It would sort of be like the hybrid stock/chassis that Komboyatch was talking about earlier (maybe in a different thread...).

Anyone have a spare KRG fixed rear-end kicking around?
 
Kane519 said:
Interesting thread. Completely agree the "tactical pillows" are cumbersome and, while they work, there's better ways to get stable.

I'll have to look at balancing my rifle better.
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My shooting experience includes rimfire silhouette and it is far easier to go offhand with a properly proportioned and weighted rifle. So much so, there are rules to limit what we can do. PRS doesn't have those rules so....

Biathlon and 3 position rimfire shooting has alot to offer in very useful bits and pieces that will help "tactical" rifles be more useable in multiple positions. Something as simple as grip style and shape can have a profound affect on speed and accuracy in changing positions.

So does the location of the bolt knob relative to the trigger finger.....All small stuff but it lets you speed up WITH control and being smooth and fast gets you more time for more rds on target

Reducing the overall rifle package weight AND improving balance and ergonomics is going to be the direction to better scores. And a rifle that balances and handles well doesn't need as many "supports" to shoot accurately.

Be interesting to see how things evolve this season.

Fun, fun, fun...

Jerry
 
Hey Jerry, are there any existing quick adjust 3 position stock items that could be attached to our stocks? Something along the lines of the Badger?
 
Yes, Choate makes an adjustable LOP and buttpad height adjustment for their Custom tactical rifles. This is a unit you could buy alone but I wouldn't use it as it weighs alot.

There are plenty of stuff offered for Shotguns that can be adapted but again, alot is heavy.

It really isn't that hard a concept to make... if you need fancy bits and pieces, that adds complexity weight and cost. But the basic function is simple.

For me, I will only need 2 positions - prone and everything else. The difference is around 2"... I need the recoil pad to move 2".

Simple.

Jerry
 
Very good advice and something I hear from customers all too often.

Shooters do not FIT their rifles.... their rifles fit THEM.

And yes, how you fit in the prone will be different from kneeling,etc. At some point, you just have to learn to adjust the body but start with something that at least gives you a fighting chance of success.

Jerry
 
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