What are you chasing in a NR Black gun??

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I'm having a few drinks:) and was wondering what everyone/ anybody was looking for in a NR black rifle.
I was looking for something that was as close to an AR 15 as possible, accurate , reliable,and light.
So far nothing has come close. I've had the XCR-L ,SU 16 and Jard 48. Jard 48 being the closest.I find its redonkulous that we pay these high prices for an NR blackrifle that we try to mimic a AR15, which we,re allowed to bring to the range but not trusted to Coyote hunt with. WTF??? For myself , it's accuracy , as I don't see much point in a rifle , unless it's under an MOA, that's why I decided to place all my marbles on the MV.
 
Slim, handy, light, reliable. Taking AR mags is a plus. A bullpup if I can get it. ARs are lighter, but bullpups feel lighter, particularly up front where it matters. Having an M16 length barrel while being shorter than an M4 Carbine is nice as well.
 
Once MV's are out in the wild and I get to try one I might sell the Tavor and ACR and pick one up. But until then the ACR fills my AR needs and the Tavor fills my Tactical door kicker needs.

Even might try to get a custom pencil barrel for the ACR I like it so much ;)
 
Jarvy said:
Slim, handy, light, reliable. Taking AR mags is a plus. A bullpup if I can get it. ARs are lighter, but bullpups feel lighter, particularly up front where it matters. Having an M16 length barrel while being shorter than an M4 Carbine is nice as well.
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Wouldn't a Tavor fit that description ?
 
DILLIGAF said:
Once MV's are out in the wild and I get to try one I might sell the Tavor and ACR and pick one up. But until then the ACR fills my AR needs and the Tavor fills my Tactical door kicker needs.

Even might try to get a custom pencil barrel for the ACR I like it so much ;)
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Exactly, you got two guns to try and replicate one. ACR may be accurate but it's a tank and the Tavor is a abomination ... LOL
 
Jarvy said:
Slim, handy, light, reliable. Taking AR mags is a plus. A bullpup if I can get it. ARs are lighter, but bullpups feel lighter, particularly up front where it matters. Having an M16 length barrel while being shorter than an M4 Carbine is nice as well.
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I just picked up a used (barely) Bushmaster M17S from IRG. Wow - 22in barrel in very short (yet still non-restricted) package. Very solid feel, rock-solid feeding. So you can get a barrel that is 2" longer than the standard AR barrel in something that is probably as short as the M4, at half the price of a Tavor...
 
Brianma65 said:
Wouldn't a Tavor fit that description ?
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So would a T97. Had both, liked both. Tavor's obviously better, but you're paying a premium for it.

Tavor looks chunkier than it feels, but it's still pretty bulky. Having an IDF model/cutting down the rail to a "pseudo IDF" configuration helps.

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I want a pump action like a TROY PAR, except one difference....

The magwell would have a vertical slot cut out on it, and the 20 round magazines would look like an AR magazine, except have a ridge along part of it that would fit in the slot. So the magazines wouldn't fit into a AR15 magwell. You could still use legal capacity AR magazines in the pump rifle, of course, for if you didn't care about the extra capacity.

And if they are designed for a pump action and won't fit into a AR magwell, it should be legal to have 20 round magazines for it, right?
 
Brianma65 said:
Exactly, you got two guns to try and replicate one. ACR may be accurate but it's a tank and the Tavor is a abomination ... LOL
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I got 2 Black riffles because I want 2. Im not trying to replicate anything. Heck the Tavor is the reason I sold all my paperweights.

the Cz858 is actually more fun than those 2 polymer toys. And if I could only grab one of my rifles the 858 would be my pick.

Im actually hoping that the Type 81 will replace my 858. But chinese junk is hit or miss so im not holding my breath.
 
Gatehouse said:
I want a pump action like a TROY PAR, except one difference....

The magwell would have a vertical slot cut out on it, and the 20 round magazines would look like an AR magazine, except have a ridge along part of it that would fit in the slot. So the magazines wouldn't fit into a AR15 magwell. You could still use legal capacity AR magazines in the pump rifle, of course, for if you didn't care about the extra capacity.

And if they are designed for a pump action and won't fit into a AR magwell, it should be legal to have 20 round magazines for it, right?
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Ahh, ya if you say so, I'm all for 20 rnd mags, no matter what they fit in.
 
Reasonably lightweight, cost effective, available, and modular system with available aftermarket parts.

Essentially the AR15 platform.

That said, nothing currently available meets all of these.

ATR makes a nice gun, but heavy and expensive, M14 is heavy, XCR is heavy, ACR isn't modular due to lack of factory support, tavor is expensive, etc etc etc.

You can buy an excellent quality out of the box AR that meets all of those specs for under $1,500.00

Nothing beats the AR platform yet in my humble opinion, they only try to replicate key features while failing to take others into account.
 
I want a NR AR-15...no NR options properly replicate it. Plus the 18.5" OAL is a pain in the ass unless it's a bullpup. Makes all the heavy NR options even heavier. Plus the 18.5" barrel just doesn't look as tacticool :rolleyes:

For now I'll have to be happy with a range only toy. And settle for something not quite as enjoyable for NR.

Maybe some day...
 
Chased an ACR for the last few years. I now am finally almost getting it. Arm east said it should be shipping out tomorrow
 
AR15

everyone should own an ar15
the way i look at it the government can take everything but the ar15.
you can have it in any caliber from .22 to .50 beuwolf.
good for gophers to moose.
light weight, accurate, reliable, modular, versitile.

whats not to like.
 
I believe I could be happy for my current needs (no CQB for me right now) with a H&K SL8 as it hits on the accuracy, reliability, not stratospheric cost (under $2,500+/-) and weight is close enough for me (no its not AR light and I'd prefer it in .308 for the weight it is, but) as I'm more into putting the round exactly where I want versus volume of ammo. down range (I do like semi.-auto. though) it would do (would like more then 5 or even 10 shots to a mag. though:().

Otherwise a Swiss Arms (if you don't use the bi-pod) would be very nice except for the cost of course and the ATRS Modern Varminter or Hunter for that matter too (again not minding the cost).

Now while some are talking NR AR's, possibly my ultimate rifle would be a DPMS Recon G2 in .308 with 20Rd. mag.'s (oh yeah, let's cancel the mag.'s limits while were at it:)) with a very well built 18.5" SS barrel (keeping it NR on the barrel side of things). If we excuse the barrel lengths and minimum overall then I'd actually take the same G2 rifle with a 12.5"+/- custom SS barrel.
Ultimately if talking .223 NR AR's then any CC would suffice with a 20" or 11" depending on if we could lose that ugly minimum barrel length...

Finally, it really is amazing that nothing's available to match an AR in the Canadian NR world yet.
I mean take away one of these attributes: accuracy, reliability, weight or cost (and possibly modularity/parts availability too) and while there may be a few challengers (ACR , Tavor, Swiss, HK SL8, ATRS MV) nothing checks off all the boxes an AR does while being reasonably affordable (under $2,000).

Cheers D
 
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