What is it ..... and what might it be worth ????? Thanks!!

[lledwod]

I picked these two up today. I am not a milsurp guy so I can't ID the shorter one myself. It chambers a .308, that is all I can tell you at this time. The other I am assuming for now is a 6.5x55.

I will happily provide more pictures or info if needed to identify. Thanks in advance!

And ballpark values? I will probably sell one of them.

Jonathan

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Added photo of the swedish rifle:

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[fraserdw]

That symbol is either the fascist symbol is it not. Used by Repubican Rome, the French Revolution and Fascist Italy.

 

[antidote1985]

wow ! its the spanish guard emblem with the fasces and the sword.... dont know much about the rifle....

 

[antidote1985]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Guard_(Spain)

 

[green]

Spanish M1916 short rifle converted to 7.62.

 

[lledwod]

OK, Spanish Guard headed me in the right direction thanks!. I'll try loading up some light .308 for it. Sounds like there may be some question exactly what it is chambered for? I'll try the swedish rifle at the range too.

 

[Blastattack]

Spanish M1916 short rifle converted to 7.62.

7.62 NATO? I know Norwegian K98s were converted to 7.62, but they meant 7.62x63, or the venerable 30-06.

 

[Raton57]

Try and chamber a 30-06 shell also.

 

[lledwod]

I didn't try chambering 30-06, but the magazine is too short. The bore on the spanish rifle is very bright and sharp. The rifling on the swede is slowly appearing as I scrub away at the bore .....

 

[sunray]

Just because it'll chamber a 7.62/.308 doesn't make it so. May be a 7.62 Cetme, and not 7.62 NATO. Difference is the pressures and allegedly a plastic cored, lead, 113 grain, bullet at about 2500 FPS. Remember that Europe was metric long before Trudeau the Elder jammed it down our throats.
Rust will come off with 0000 steel wool and light oil.

 

[mkrnel]

Very common Spanish M93 small ring converted to 7.62x51mm NATO, use only 150gr and below commercial ammo or light handloads in them as these rifles were originally designed for 7x57mm Mauser at 45,000 psi loads!

Still on sale in the USA from the importer -


M1916 Spanish Mauser
Cal. .308 Win

Manufactured at famous Oviedo factory in Spain for the Spanish Army. Converted to use ever plentiful 7.62 Nato (.308WIN) round. Short rifle. Blued turned down bolt, 5 round magazine, fixed side support and sling swivel. Minor cracks.
Barrel: 21" Overall: 44.3"
Order YOURS for the Hunting Season!

M1916 Spanish Mauser
Good to Very Good Condition $169.95 Quantity:


Your other rifle is a regular Swedish 6.5x55 M38 Mauser worth about $300 in shown condition if bore is very good!

 

[dannyd123]

As for value, I cant say anything about the top one, but the M38 Swede on the bottom is worth $325. Perhaps on the low end of $350-375 if she is all matching. The bore is a #3 which means its less than pristine and not really sought after.

 

[lledwod]

Thanks guys, I'll update once they've been cleaned up and shot. (loaded 150 grn hornady's ahead of 43grns IMR 4064 for the short rifle)