What kind of military 9mm round is this??

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I found a bunch of these at my range yesterday and just wondering what kind of practice ammo it is. It is marked "IVI 9mm 09" on the headstamp, and has a plastic "insert" type extension that obviously moves out 1cm after firing. Just wondering if these are BLANKS or does the hollow plastic insert hold something in the hollow and shoot that "something" out the end of the barrel???
I was a Regular Forces Navy sailor but never saw any 9mm ammo. (only allowed to officially use the C7 and other assorted long guns, but no handguns..............., so my knowledge of our handgun ammo is virtually nil.
Thanks to anyone who knows what these are.



 
City police did a training exercise inside a closed down school. I had to work in there before they cleaned it all up.
Those guys really had fun in there.
I wonder what else they were shooting at besides the cheech and chong looking stereotypical dirtbag paper targets,
because those guys shot up everything. walls, lockers, windows, floors, chaulk boards, closets, corners, doorways!

anybody know what is in the conversion kit?
 
Rust said:
City police did a training exercise inside a closed down school. I had to work in there before they cleaned it all up.
Those guys really had fun in there.
I wonder what else they were shooting at besides the cheech and chong looking stereotypical dirtbag paper targets,
because those guys shot up everything. walls, lockers, windows, floors, chaulk boards, closets, corners, doorways!

anybody know what is in the conversion kit?
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I was at a fibua site in the U.S. The cops were there shooting simunition. Looked like a lot more fun then our laser tag lol
 
For a a Sig Sauers the kit is :

-a barrel
-a spring/guide rod
-a feedramp due to the shape of the "bullet"

Pretty expensive piece of kit and th 5.56 version of those rounds cost 1$ per round and I remember the 9mm is not that far from there
 
Thanks for this post.

I was given a couple of those shells by a guy at work and asked what they were. I had no idea either, but simunition did come to mind.

Rust, if that was Ottawa, I got a couple of those. That's the story I was told. Unused school building and absolutely littered with those rounds.

My co-worker said his buddy worked at the building. Told police to get it cleaned up.
 
Yogi05 said:
Thanks for this post.

I was given a couple of those shells by a guy at work and asked what they were. I had no idea either, but simunition did come to mind.

Rust, if that was Ottawa, I got a couple of those. That's the story I was told. Unused school building and absolutely littered with those rounds.

My co-worker said his buddy worked at the building. Told police to get it cleaned up.
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Sounds like the squirrels left their nut shells behind :p
 
They are FX marking cartidges, they have plastic scored tips that come in different colours such as red, blue and white, the dye is actually like a cream soap. Because of the scored tips they leave little coloured stars as hits. The are used primarily for training for IARD or force on force applications, like was mentioned before depending on the model of firearm used the conversion can be anything from a straight barrel swap to barrel, feed ramp and mag insert. The plastic tip is smaller than the calibre of gun for saftey reasons. You cannot chamber live round of the proper calibre .. Which is to say a simmunition barrel for a 9mm sig will not chamber a live 9mm round. As with most force on force gear the barrels are coloured blue to distunguish it from a real barrel. Usual safety gear required at minimum is a helmet with eyewear and a cup.. Some guys wear all kinds of protection, but its designed to give positive/negative feedback.. you stuck your wing out a bit to far and got popped. They hurt like hell and will leave one nice welt on exposed skin.. the 556 ones are worse. The reason for the different colour is so you know if you got popped by a bad guy or one of your own.
 
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Dsiwy said:
Why on earth would they do that? You need a convertion kit to fire that very pricey ammo.
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Conversion kits are not expensive, and the training value far exceeds the cost.

Rust said:
City police did a training exercise inside a closed down school. I had to work in there before they cleaned it all up.
Those guys really had fun in there.
I wonder what else they were shooting at besides the cheech and chong looking stereotypical dirtbag paper targets,
because those guys shot up everything. walls, lockers, windows, floors, chaulk boards, closets, corners, doorways!

anybody know what is in the conversion kit?
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Ranges widely depending on the firearm, the calibre etc. For most pistols it could be just the barrel. FOr the C-7s C-8s, it could be as simple as just the BCG, or a complete upper change.

crash277 said:
I was at a fibua site in the U.S. The cops were there shooting simunition. Looked like a lot more fun then our laser tag lol
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WES is complete and utter garbage and is a total waste of training resources. What little benefit it offers senior leadership, it could easily be replaced with any one of our training simulators.

In the four times I've done multi week exercises with WES, not once has my "connectivity" been maintained beyond the 48 hours of the initially issued battery. When real time training patrols are being cancelled and replaced with a patrol to find the battery guy, you know a particular training tool is not enhancing training.
 
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