What now for PCC?

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Well, now that they have banned pretty much all competition relevant PCC's, I made a list of some options available to us in the current atmosphere for competition;

1) Henry Homesteader: Pretty robust and accepts Glock mags.. pretty long and heavy for competition
2) Chiappa M9 Carbine: Beretta mags, reliability is "meh" depending to who you talk to
3) Pistol to carbine drop in kits: There are some that you just drop a pistol into (micro Roni, MCK, Fab defense, Hera, Kidon) these are ok as long as you have a pistol that fits one of the models, and some of them offer a LOT of options for different pistols. They work in a pinch, and you probably already have mags for the pistol so not a ton of extra expense. There is also the Meta Tactical that includes a longer barrel to put in the pistol (Glock only I think... don't quote me on that)
4) Pistol lower conversion kits: These are uppers that include a longer barrel and accept a pistol frame (Mech-tech and there is also one out of Germany for the CZ Shadows, Norlite USK... but at 1500 euro she's pretty pricey)

So far that's what we have to play with post ban. I have a MCK and will be running my Canik TP9SF in it for the foreseeable future, or until the ban is lifted or there is a better option.

Stay strong my brothers and sisters... we will get them back eventually. Refuse to let PCC die as a division and shoot whatever you've got available.
Flush the Turd!!
PCC IS NOT A CRIME!!

ACD
 
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Kind of off topic but in the event that the CPC doesn't undo any bans, I woud like to see one of the Canadian manufacturer's make a AR pattern competition oriented pump action 9mm that accepts Glock mags. I think this would be a good compromise that would still allow us to burn through 10 rounds quickly in a competition and have something that won't hopefully get banned the week we buy it. I've wanted to have a slick pump action 9mm range toy for years but nobody makes one.
 
Ramzzz said:
Kind of off topic but in the event that the CPC doesn't undo any bans, I woud like to see one of the Canadian manufacturer's make a AR pattern competition oriented pump action 9mm that accepts Glock mags. I think this would be a good compromise that would still allow us to burn through 10 rounds quickly in a competition and have something that won't hopefully get banned the week we buy it. I've wanted to have a slick pump action 9mm range toy for years but nobody makes one.
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I see what you are after, but I hope it doesn't happen if it means the bans stay in effect!
 
I picked up a MCK for my Canik just before the latest OIC when Tenda had them as part of their black friday sale. I tried it for the first time earlier this week. I think it’s viable option if you already have a compatible handgun and a PCC that was listed in any of the OIC’s. For me even before the latest OIC it’s well worth the 279 that tenda had them on for. But then again pre december 2023 you could get a handgun for 279.

It’s pretty easy to setup and there’s no buffer weight or recoil spring tuning needed that you might need to do on a PCC.

I also didn’t notice any issues with zero after removing and inserting my Canik multiple times into the MCK while at the range.

Glad to see I’m not the only one with a Canik and MCK.

ACD with your SF did you notice if the MCK charging handle seems to move out by 1 serration the first time it’s being charged? I notice with my SA the MCK charging handle isn’t in the same spot from when I install it. The charging handle seems to slip out a by one serration. It doesn’t cause any functional issues.
 
It's a rigged game if this OIC and Libs will stay in power. Pretty much sure they simply missed first two options listed. I should admit, myself I did not even know those two PCC models are ever existed, while I did quite a bit of research when looking for PC, having them, enjoyed them, and of course those I have - are banned now. If they stay not banned, wait until the manufacturer or some small shops will be offering tactical furniture - and boom, they are "assault style". Perhaps, there will be some new "civilian", "sporting" models popping up like we have seen for past years, but we know where it will end. Of course, all that will be true if Libs for some disaster reason would still be in power.

BUT. If cons win, all recent popular PCC performers will be back. Then no one will need those goofy Chiapas and Henry PCC.

THEREFORE for the time being, my PCC will be my lever guns in pistol caliber to fill the gap and see how things go.

As it goes for those fancy clamshells for pistols - never understood the concept. Basically you got PCC rifle with floating barrel and inherent inaccuracy for 100 yards - this is the distance I normally used to shoot with my real PCCs. I would just shoot outright my Glock with red dot with the same effect.
 
terBC said:
I picked up a MCK for my Canik just before the latest OIC when Tenda had them as part of their black friday sale. I tried it for the first time earlier this week. I think it’s viable option if you already have a compatible handgun and a PCC that was listed in any of the OIC’s. For me even before the latest OIC it’s well worth the 279 that tenda had them on for. But then again pre december 2023 you could get a handgun for 279.

It’s pretty easy to setup and there’s no buffer weight or recoil spring tuning needed that you might need to do on a PCC.

I also didn’t notice any issues with zero after removing and inserting my Canik multiple times into the MCK while at the range.

Glad to see I’m not the only one with a Canik and MCK.

ACD with your SF did you notice if the MCK charging handle seems to move out by 1 serration the first time it’s being charged? I notice with my SA the MCK charging handle isn’t in the same spot from when I install it. The charging handle seems to slip out a by one serration. It doesn’t cause any functional issues.
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Yes mine does move one serration when first charged. Doesn't seem to effect the function at all.
 
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It's a rigged game if this OIC and Libs will stay in power. Pretty much sure they simply missed first two options listed. I should admit, myself I did not even know those two PCC models are ever existed, while I did quite a bit of research when looking for PC, having them, enjoyed them, and of course those I have - are banned now. If they stay not banned, wait until the manufacturer or some small shops will be offering tactical furniture - and boom, they are "assault style". Perhaps, there will be some new "civilian", "sporting" models popping up like we have seen for past years, but we know where it will end. Of course, all that will be true if Libs for some disaster reason would still be in power.

BUT. If cons win, all recent popular PCC performers will be back. Then no one will need those goofy Chiapas and Henry PCC.

THEREFORE for the time being, my PCC will be my lever guns in pistol caliber to fill the gap and see how things go.

As it goes for those fancy clamshells for pistols - never understood the concept. Basically you got PCC rifle with floating barrel and inherent inaccuracy for 100 yards - this is the distance I normally used to shoot with my real PCCs. I would just shoot outright my Glock with red dot with the same effect.
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Because for competition the lever guns, no matter how fun they are, will not meet the needs of a competition shooter. They are too slow to load, too slow to reload, and too slow to unload on the clock... It's just not a great option. The pistol conversions offer the speed we need for mag changes and capacity. Most competition PCC shooters shoot IPSC/IDPA/SC pistol courses which are out to around 25m (unless it's a dedicated PCC match, then out to about 80 or so on one stage). This thread was to inform competitive PCC shooters of what is available for them to compete with. You could use a lever gun...but you ain't winning, that's for sure.

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Ramzzz said:
Kind of off topic but in the event that the CPC doesn't undo any bans, I woud like to see one of the Canadian manufacturer's make a AR pattern competition oriented pump action 9mm that accepts Glock mags. I think this would be a good compromise that would still allow us to burn through 10 rounds quickly in a competition and have something that won't hopefully get banned the week we buy it. I've wanted to have a slick pump action 9mm range toy for years but nobody makes one.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but if the libs are still in power by the time march hits your 10 rounders and anything not basically welded is next on the list.
The orgs are great and all but we should not be rolling over and taking this treatment.
 
Ramzzz said:
Kind of off topic but in the event that the CPC doesn't undo any bans, I woud like to see one of the Canadian manufacturer's make a AR pattern competition oriented pump action 9mm that accepts Glock mags. I think this would be a good compromise that would still allow us to burn through 10 rounds quickly in a competition and have something that won't hopefully get banned the week we buy it. I've wanted to have a slick pump action 9mm range toy for years but nobody makes one.
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Likewise, interested. I've been considering the Tombstone (lever) for similar rationale but can't get there on price and mags.

If I understand correctly there are some benefits to a pump (or lever) over a blow back semi: 1) Locked breach (runs cleaner while adds a little more zing), 2) Can be shorter barrel and achieve ~26" OAL within the existing NR definitions. 3) Manual action can provide more agency per shot. 4) Mag capacity vs mag compatibility possibilities. 5) Thematically not a race gun, is a gallery gun / plinker / backpacker.

However the legal landscape is now so broken (rules arbitrarily revoked without notice) that any reasoning is redundant.
 
Unless the ban is undone, it really seems like semiauto PCC competition in Canada is over. It's hard to imagine a world where the Homesteader and Chiappa M1-9 are not on the next list in March. I really hope the carbine conversions go unnoticed and stay off the list, but you never know.

If there's no ban reversal, the future of PCC competition might actually be in creating a new set of gun games around manual action options. Might look something like cowboy action with a little (or a lot) more movement.
 
AlphaCharlieDelta said:
Because for competition the lever guns, no matter how fun they are, will not meet the needs of a competition shooter. They are too slow to load, too slow to reload, and too slow to unload on the clock... It's just not a great option. The pistol conversions offer the speed we need for mag changes and capacity. Most competition PCC shooters shoot IPSC/IDPA/SC pistol courses which are out to around 25m (unless it's a dedicated PCC match, then out to about 80 or so on one stage). This thread was to inform competitive PCC shooters of what is available for them to compete with. You could use a lever gun...but you ain't winning, that's for sure.

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I compete to myself only. But I feel for professional competitors. Basically they no longer have the right equipment for the sport. It's like playing hockey with brooms instead of hockey stick's - which still can be done and perhaps some fun still can be had. But that no longer will be a professional sport and absolute non-sense on international stage. Good luck with those listed above options you have left.
 
alpining said:
Unless the ban is undone, it really seems like semiauto PCC competition in Canada is over. It's hard to imagine a world where the Homesteader and Chiappa M1-9 are not on the next list in March. I really hope the carbine conversions go unnoticed and stay off the list, but you never know.

If there's no ban reversal, the future of PCC competition might actually be in creating a new set of gun games around manual action options. Might look something like cowboy action with a little (or a lot) more movement.
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Totally agree. There are some other models I am pleasantly surprised are not on the list - I just ordered / bought one this afternoon, despite warnings it likely will be get banned in February. Ultimately, it doesn't matter and I don't care and won't let the government's fear tactics drive my decisions.

At minimum I have a couple of months to enjoy and then if it is banned, it will sit in a holding pattern along with all my other banned guns and wait to see if Pierre and the CPC fulfill their commitments and support for the firearms community, and fully reverse the 2024 OIC, the 2020 OIC and the 2022 handgun freeze. He's gotta defund the CBC first, so that the enemy messenger loses its largest venue and medium to rail against his and the CPC's policies.
 
thegazelle said:
Totally agree. There are some other models I am pleasantly surprised are not on the list - I just ordered / bought one this afternoon, despite warnings it likely will be get banned in February. Ultimately, it doesn't matter and I don't care and won't let the government's fear tactics drive my decisions.

At minimum I have a couple of months to enjoy and then if it is banned, it will sit in a holding pattern along with all my other banned guns and wait to see if Pierre and the CPC fulfill their commitments and support for the firearms community, and fully reverse the 2024 OIC, the 2020 OIC and the 2022 handgun freeze. He's gotta defund the CBC first, so that the enemy messenger loses its largest venue and medium to rail against his and the CPC's policies.
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That's my plan too. Nothing else in my safe is banned, and if I follow through, this will be my middle finger to Trudy, Leblanc and those other mad cows from Quebec.
 
I liked that in the official OIC document, They actually called the Ruger PC carbine, Ruger "police" carbine....if I'm not mistaken, it stands more for personal carbine...shows how serious their research was.
 
We can’t knuckle under to these #######s.
Keep innovating and inventing new ways to enjoy our shooting sports.
They might have to be uniquely Canadian.
Remember, we are fighting an oppressive ideology and we can’t quit.
 
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