What questions to ask when shopping for a desporterized No4 Lee Enfield

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Hi folks,

Been chatting with a couple of members over the past few months about that subject matter. Figured I may as well share my 2 cents here so others can potentially find it useful.

With many "desporterized" Lee Enfields being sold, and now prices going up somewhat, I think it's important to ask questions specific to the proper setup of the No4 rifle to reduce the chances of being disapointed with what you buy. So, aside from the "normal" questions (how's the bore, bluing, shooting good (group size), etc), here are a few questions you may want to ask a seller when considering buying a desporterized Lee Enfield No4.

1. Are the recoil lugs properly resting against the forend draws?

This is probably one of the most important aspects of forend bedding (also applies to the No1Mk3*), and a bit tricky to adjust. The two sides should be tight, and applying the same pressure.
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The pressure on the draws should push the forend rearward so that the back face of the forend it in solid contact with the back of the receiver. I check this with my trusted feeler gauge: here, my .002 gauge doesn't slide between the receiver and the forend.
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2. How is the bedding of the receiver and barrel?

In a nutshell, the barre of a No4 should be free floated except under the knox and at the muzzle. In pictures, it's easier to explain. First, there should be contact between the forend and the receiver bottom face, and under the barrel at the knox: I scribbled on the forend to show roughly where there must be contact:
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Again, my trusted feeler gauge is helping here:
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Going forward, free floating until we reach the muzzle:
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Then, at the muzzle (last two inches), the forend should be touching, and even pushing upward, on the barrel.
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A good test to do is to grab the rifle with one hand and try to push the muzzle up with your thumb, see if the muzzle will "snap" back on the forend when you release it:
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Here's a drawing showing all of the above in one picture:

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Here's another one where we often see issues: is there a spacer in the front trigger guard screw? Maybe a small detail, but an important one.
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Something else I often see is a crack at the back of the forend; the "Damn Crack". This is very common, the back fo the forend being split vertically, between the recoil draws. You want to make sure it's not cracked.

Another one: how's the trigger pull? It should be a two-stage affair, and it's often tricky to achieve when swapping parts on a Lee Enfield.

There are a bunch of other details which are worth paying attention to, but for now, that'll have to do (I have to take the dogs out and split some firewood for the day). Hope this helps.

Lou
 

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Great pictures and explanation! Illustrates some of the key issues between a $250 "bolted parts together" and $650 "desporterized" rifle. Correct sights, properly fitted bands and matching wood all help!
 
Thanks!! I'm restoring my father's Savage sporter to full wood as a surprise and you just told me to stop wasting time on the POS forestock I bought, toss it in the stove, and start looking for another one.
So yeah, lots of us care!
 
+1 on the king screw spacer, my sportered no4 was missing one when I got it. Luckily I had a spare one in a bag of no.1 hardware, thanks for the informative post.

The spacer has to be adjusted to match the wood.

To adjust the spacer, first tighten the screw up the required amount to tighten it. Count the turns and mark the slot's position with a pencil onto the trigger guard housing. Then remove the screw and insert the spacer. Re-insert the screw and count the turns as you tighten it up, and hopefully the spacer is a bit long. Remove the screw, remove the spacer, and take a little bit of metal off the end. A lathe works for this, or a drill press and a file. Could possibly even be done rubbing it on a flat file, but really the first two methods are preferable. Try it again (and again and again) until you get it just to the point that it tightens to exactly the same spot as the screw did without the spacer. You now have the spacer correctly adjusted.

Incorrect spacer length can stress the wood, effect the barrel pressure at the end of the stock, and effect trigger pull. It only takes a few minutes to get it right.

Overall, it is these little things that cause me to stay away from the de-sporterized rifles. Too many guys slap some wood on a sporter, and then list it for $800 without going through all of the quality controls of getting it right.
 
Fixed all the links (no more Photobucket crap) so we see the images again. Hope this will work for a while, don't want to redo all the uploading, copying links etc. again!
 
Has anyone come up with a good method of checking for that "dam crack" at the rear of the fore stock? Many times you are not able too see it unless the fore stock is removed from the rifle.

Silverplate
 
Removing the trigger guard is usually enough to see if the damn crack is present.

The ''damn crack'' is an easy fix, so I personally wouldn't get to upset with it.

The other thing, how many nimrods are you going to allow to strip the rifle down for inspection? IMHO, NONE. Most folks don't have a clue how to properly use a screwdriver that fits and they certainly don't know how to remove a fore end properly which is often the cause of the split.

All of the issues you point out in your excellent first post can be worrisome, but all are fixable and that would be up to the buyer when they get the rifle home.

I will never guarantee all of the bedding and fitting are within speck on an obvious put together and I'm certainly not going to strip down the rifle to find out the defects. As such, my prices on the No1 and No4 rifles I sell are usually lower than the rest in the shows, even if all looks well on the outside.
 
Great post and thanks for your efforts.

BUT the first thing I think you should ask is "why buy a desporterized Lee Enfield when originals are readily available"?

I just don't get this idea of buying a sporter and putting on some newly manufactured wood at considerable expense and getting something that just looks bad....
 
I sell a few desporterized Lee Enfields at shows. I try to make it clear the the rifle is not original, that it has been brought back to its original appearance, not specs. Most prospective buyers just want a good looking Lee Enfield simply to have, shoot once in a long while, and to show friends. I scored a real nifty one from good old Stewart H. A No.1 Mk III that was originally a .303, redone to a .410 (India), the put back to .303, all properly marked for the conversion to .410, and back to .303. I couldn’t have cared less if the old rifle was “out of spec”.

Edit: the old rifle actually works and shoots quite nicely.
 
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