What would you choose?
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Get the Nork 1911A1 (tuned by Gunnar at ARMCO) in .45ACP. Shoot it for a while, while you figure things out. A 1911 is never a bad way to start, (or end - for that matter.)
That'll cover all of your "ban" bases, anyways. A .22LR pistol is nice, but they are boring as hell.
Best of luck in your quest.
That'll cover all of your "ban" bases, anyways. A .22LR pistol is nice, but they are boring as hell.
Best of luck in your quest.
Shorter barrel & slide, essentially. Harder to control recoil, by a tad.
In MY opinion, yes. The 1911 is built for the 45 ACP, there is no reason to mess with "God's will."
Armco will "smooth" out the trigger and make it ultra-reliable. Well worth the $, if you ask me.
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vancityguy said:
This should clarify things a bit in regards to the Armco treatment:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105870
As to what to buy, start with a .22. A Ruger MK I, II, or III, or a Browning Buckmark can be had relatively cheaply. Centerfire ammo is expensive, and with a .22 you can practice all day for a few bucks. Shooting .22 is basically the same as shooting centerfire (minus the recoil), so it's much cheaper to learn/practice using rounds that are $15 for 500 instead of $100 for 500 (9mm), or $130 for 500 (.45 ACP).
agilent_one said:
Agilent_one, I must respectfully disagree.
If you insist on getting a Norinco 1911, get one in 9mm - they work just fine out of the box. Try to find yourself an NP-29, they're a little scarce (usually back ordered at Marstar), but if you put a "want to buy" ad in the EE forum, you might be surprised how easy they are to find. I found one in a day an a half that way. Heck, if you buy a used one, you may even get one that has been "Armco'ed" already and save yourself the trouble of shipping it off and waiting impatiently for it to come back! Do a search for NP29 on here and you'll find out just how much people like their NP29's. It's cheaper to shoot 9mm than it is to shoot .45 ACP, especially if you don't reload. And if you do reload, 9mm brass is cheap and plentiful (I've collected around 3000 peices and have yet to pay a dime...), .45 ACP is less common.
Don't worry about "God's will". The next time you go to confession, just ask for forgiveness (he won't mind, trust me). I've asked God - he likes us to have more money in the bank to shoot more often.
If you were needing something for self defense, that's another story, but I find that my .22, & my 9mm both punch paper just as effectively. That's mostly what we do with our restricteds (especially when we're starting out, anyway), if/when you get into different kinds of shooting and you need bigger calibers, the people that do it already will steer you in the right direction as to what caliber to get for that style of shooting.
For the record, don't discount guns other than 1911's, there are many good 9mm guns out there worth considering that are very affordable. I picked up a CZ-75 Pre-B model in January for $300. Keep your eyes peeled and watch the EE like a hawk when you're shopping for someting, bide your time and you'll get a good deal if you make your move quick!
Just my $0.02, remember, free advice is sometimes only worth what you paid for it!
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Considering you seem like a new handgun shooter, I'd go with the .22 and a 9mm. Reloading requires some time to learn and some more time to reload, unless you're willing to spend the time and money right off the bat on a reloading press, I'd stick with factory ammo. Depending on what type of budget you have, I'd get a Ruger MK series for the .22 and a S&W M&P 9mm, I find that these 2 are the best bang for the buck, and super reliable. BTW, 45acp is almost twice the money of 9mm if you're buying factory ammo. I don't mind the Norinco, but if I was buying a Chinese Tok, I'd stick with 7.62x25. Which is another option for you.
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agilent_one said:I asked God, he said you should take up reloading.
Funny, he told me the very same thing!!!
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My two cents ;
If a single action semi is what you want go to the STI Spartan . $ 785.00 canadian . In the long run way better than a Norc ( I like Norc - Nothing against them ) .
As for a poly / double action I'd say the S&W MP9 ( or 40 ) is the way to go , I've seen them advertized as cheap as $ 619.00 .
Personally I find .22 rimfires boring , had them , sold them , don't miss them .
If a single action semi is what you want go to the STI Spartan . $ 785.00 canadian . In the long run way better than a Norc ( I like Norc - Nothing against them ) .
As for a poly / double action I'd say the S&W MP9 ( or 40 ) is the way to go , I've seen them advertized as cheap as $ 619.00 .
Personally I find .22 rimfires boring , had them , sold them , don't miss them .
vancityguy said:
This is my opinion, and my opinion only. If I'm paying more than $350 for a Norinco pistol, I would rather pay a little more on a better built gun. The reason is, I feel that if you're just starting out, you should get a pistol that should be accurate and worry free out of the box. You don't need anything to hold you back while learning to shoot a pistol, nor would you have to worry about upgrading any of the internals to make it shoot better. Not to say a Norinco couldn't be accurate, but I feel that you pay for what you get. A S&W M&P will set you back about 619.99 + taxes + shipping. But in my opinion the best bang for the buck right now. Out of the box accurate, and the fit and finish is great. Judging from your handle, I'm assuming you're in Vancouver? I'll be heading up to POCO this saturday, if you want to come up, I'll be bringing up a couple of pistols and you can see if you enjoy shooting 9mm and decide what you want to do from that point on. I know a few guys up there that'll have their M&P as well, so you can shoot it first hand and see if it's what you like.
Definitely get a .22 if the cost is any kind of issue at all for you (as it is for basically all of us).
Best combo for starting out? .22LR and 9mm. That's what I think anyway. 250 rounds of 9mm is about $59.99 right now (24 cents a round). You will be shocked at how quickly you go through that (25 full mags and she's gone). .40S&W is about 35-40% more expensive than 9mm. A lot of the .45ACP is double what 9mm is.
.22LR? Decent cheap stuff like Federal "Champion" is $15.99 for 525 rounds (3 cents each). Mini-mags and comparable ammo is like 7 cents each.
.22LR is good to learn to shoot on (at least some aspects of shooting) because it basically takes the recoil out of the equation and you can focus on everything else. The fun of .22LR will last you the rest of your life though
Best combo for starting out? .22LR and 9mm. That's what I think anyway. 250 rounds of 9mm is about $59.99 right now (24 cents a round). You will be shocked at how quickly you go through that (25 full mags and she's gone). .40S&W is about 35-40% more expensive than 9mm. A lot of the .45ACP is double what 9mm is.
.22LR? Decent cheap stuff like Federal "Champion" is $15.99 for 525 rounds (3 cents each). Mini-mags and comparable ammo is like 7 cents each.
.22LR is good to learn to shoot on (at least some aspects of shooting) because it basically takes the recoil out of the equation and you can focus on everything else. The fun of .22LR will last you the rest of your life though
