What would you do as a reference to someone you think shouldn't own a firearm ?
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We don't need crazy people helping to give any ammunition to the would be gun banners (pardon the pun). Do the right thing....
I'd tell him you don't want to be a reference and then mind my own business. Who knows what your criteria for judging a person are?
There's no law against being a ####, and if he has a criminal record it'll prevent him from being approved. Let him find some other reference, if he's that bad he won't be able to get anyone and your problem is solved.
There's no law against being a ####, and if he has a criminal record it'll prevent him from being approved. Let him find some other reference, if he's that bad he won't be able to get anyone and your problem is solved.
I don't know how many times I have to say it, there's a lot more to it than what I wrote which is best I don't say for the sake of his privacy/ legal issues and etc.
Anyone can get someone to be their reference if they really wanted to. Do you really believe "ONLY PEOPLE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS" commit crimes? because you make it seem that way.
Trust me I know what I can and cannot say on the internet. Some of you just make it seem like he is just a #### and it's no big deal. You are probably the type that just sits back and minds his own business even if u see a crime committed because you are too scared to say anything or its none of your business. We need more people like you in this world would be a better place, where no one has a care in the world. *sarcasm
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I take EXTREME offense to that- esp from a newbe- you don't know us , you ask for our opinions and got them- you have NO right to judge us- and most of us are NOT armchair quarterbacks- most of us are leos, or ex-servicemen, and we're not known to" let the world slip by"- I've a good mind to bring a mod in on this
remember you're not a criminal until you ARE one, as in convicted in a COURT OF LAW
remember you're not a criminal until you ARE one, as in convicted in a COURT OF LAW
You've brought up that 'there's things about him I'm not going to post on the Internet' several times now, yet are still asking people what you should do. I get you don't want to disclose your 'friends' personal info to random folk, but at the same time if the majority of people are telling to trust your gut and be honest with the CFO in that you wouldn't trust him with firearms, and we don't even know the 'fully story' or the extent of 'the sketchy people that frequent his place of residence' then maybe that should be a pretty good hint to you.
Myself personally, I wouldn't have consented to be his reference in the first place if I had so many misgivings about him but that's in the past. If you don't get a call from the CFO in the next three-four weeks from when he sends off his PAL request then I would call them and air your concerns and then let the system take it from there. At least you did what you could and your conscious will be clean. I take firearms and my responsibility for owning them quite seriously, and those same people who are my friends are also people who are themselves responsible firearms owners.
And for the part about the bit about "Some of you just make it seem like he is just a #### and it's no big deal. You are probably the type that just sits back and minds his own business even if u see a crime committed because you are too scared to say anything or its none of your business. We need more people like you in this world would be a better place, where no one has a care in the world. *sarcasm", well it's rather rude to ask for people's opinions and then condemn them for them, and I think t-star covered the rest quite well so I'll just leave it at that.
Myself personally, I wouldn't have consented to be his reference in the first place if I had so many misgivings about him but that's in the past. If you don't get a call from the CFO in the next three-four weeks from when he sends off his PAL request then I would call them and air your concerns and then let the system take it from there. At least you did what you could and your conscious will be clean. I take firearms and my responsibility for owning them quite seriously, and those same people who are my friends are also people who are themselves responsible firearms owners.
And for the part about the bit about "Some of you just make it seem like he is just a #### and it's no big deal. You are probably the type that just sits back and minds his own business even if u see a crime committed because you are too scared to say anything or its none of your business. We need more people like you in this world would be a better place, where no one has a care in the world. *sarcasm", well it's rather rude to ask for people's opinions and then condemn them for them, and I think t-star covered the rest quite well so I'll just leave it at that.
If your mind was already made up on what you should do why would you ask for other people's opinions?
In my eyes you've proven what I was saying and probably shouldn't be a reference for this guy if your first reaction to an internet stranger with a differing opinion is to berate them.
In my eyes you've proven what I was saying and probably shouldn't be a reference for this guy if your first reaction to an internet stranger with a differing opinion is to berate them.
Inaction assists evil. One of the first mass shootings in Montreal was a university prof who went in and murdered seven of his colleagues. Several of them had comented about his instability, but none was willing to sign a formal complaint to police. The tragedy could have been prevented.
The "if it saves on life" cliche is more aptly aimed at broadly applied laws that don't accomplish what they are supposed to accomplish. The whole concentrating on "assault weapons" while the vast majority of murders are not from scary guns.
But in the Fabrikant case, which I believe bross is referring to, people knew that guy was unstable and making threats. I assure you, if I had been one of those people I would have cared very much if something could have been done and "saving one life" by an action would have been very appropriate!
But in the Fabrikant case, which I believe bross is referring to, people knew that guy was unstable and making threats. I assure you, if I had been one of those people I would have cared very much if something could have been done and "saving one life" by an action would have been very appropriate!
You need better quality friends. As they say birds of a feather fly together. Maybe you shouldn't have guns either. I don't really mean that as I don't know you, but your judgement seems questionable at best. If I had a "friend" like that I would ditch him.
I apologize if I have offended anyone here, it just seems as if the discussion is more about "my judgement of him" and so fourth straying away from the subject matter.
There are friends and close friends and friends you may not like but nonetheless a "friend". I cannot call him an acquaintance, enemy or anything like that so I called him a friend.
I just wanted to come on this site and get some opinions on what I should do because I have never been a reference for someone obtaining a firearm before.
I honestly felt not all but some were more focused on what my judgements on someone were in terms of severity instead of the info I provided.
I know I could have just said no to be his reference, but I had concerns if I said no and he found someone else that was not willing to speak the truth.
All in all I would like to thank everyone for their input and I apologize if my words came out in a way that offended anyone.
Have a nice day
There are friends and close friends and friends you may not like but nonetheless a "friend". I cannot call him an acquaintance, enemy or anything like that so I called him a friend.
I just wanted to come on this site and get some opinions on what I should do because I have never been a reference for someone obtaining a firearm before.
I honestly felt not all but some were more focused on what my judgements on someone were in terms of severity instead of the info I provided.
I know I could have just said no to be his reference, but I had concerns if I said no and he found someone else that was not willing to speak the truth.
All in all I would like to thank everyone for their input and I apologize if my words came out in a way that offended anyone.
Have a nice day
Not true. First time PAL/RPAL applicant. I
When I called them, I was told I didn't need to have an interview and they only needed to speak to ONE of my references. Licence issued on 28th day after them receiving application. So he may not even get a call. They might call the other reference first and then not call him if they have no cause for concern from the first reference.
For the original poster, if I was in your situation I would definitely be calling them to share my concerns. I would not be able to live with myself if something happened down the road and I could have potentially prevented it.
You already agreed to be a reference so just do it.
Just, tell the interviewer exactly how you feel and let them decide. They will probably want to interview him and will hopefully learn how much of an idiot he is.
If I were in that situation, I would feel uncomfortable telling him that I changed my mind, based on your assessment of his personality. You mentioned that he doesn't respect our laws and culture. If that is the case, well, too bad for him. He should have chosen his references "wisely."
Just, tell the interviewer exactly how you feel and let them decide. They will probably want to interview him and will hopefully learn how much of an idiot he is.
If I were in that situation, I would feel uncomfortable telling him that I changed my mind, based on your assessment of his personality. You mentioned that he doesn't respect our laws and culture. If that is the case, well, too bad for him. He should have chosen his references "wisely."
