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Two years ago, while enjoying an armed walk in the beautiful winter woods of Alberta, I met with a Fish and Wildlife Officer who after checking our permits and licenses (both good) became concerned about the 10rd magazine in the Enfield I was carrying.

His concern was not that I was intending to use it for hunting, but rather that a center fire rifle magazine holding 10 rounds is automatically prohibited, and yet here I was strolling around with one.

I thought I was prepared for this, by quoting the proper code reference for the section where it is listed that the Enfield is one of the two center-fire rifle magazines which, in Canada, is allowed to hold 10 rounds (the other being the Garand).

What stumped me was his question "How do I know this is an Enfield?"

The officer was polite, professional, and I have absolutely nothing negative to say about his behavior in this encounter; I just didn't know how to answer him.

In the end he took my word for it (base on behavioral cues, I expect) but it could also have gone differently.

I get the impression there's a fair number of law-enforcement type folks lurking here. What would you accept as an authoritative reference for "See, this is an Enfield."?

A couple of pages scanned from Jane's Small Arms of the 20th century? Or is there some kind of standard recognition guide you folks tend to use?

I posted this in "milsurps" (rather than in "hunting") because that's where other owners of Enfields/Garands are most likely to come across it.

Ulrich
 
Its an Enfield because its an Enfield , prove its not lol
Also people who enforce laws should learn a thing or 2 about them. I'm not saying they should know every little code and detail but they should have a quick reference guide or try to learn as many things about their field of work as possible.
Google it on an IPhone these days I guess lol
 
Centre fire semi-autos are limited to 5 rounds, not bolt guns. The Enfield is mentioned only because there was a conversion to semi/auto that was trialed years and years ago and it's not exactly common.
 
:confused:I quickly pick Lee-Enfields out of the crowd by the shape of the stock and magazine.
Wouldn't everyone recognize a Lee-Enfield by those features, even if, like me, you have never owned one:confused:
 
The guys needs to do some reading. Manual action firearms do not have a magazine limit, and neither do rimfire long-arms.

I'm quite sure the Lee Enfield is mentioned in the Firearms Act as being exempt from five round magazine restrictions. Mainly because aboriginal people in remote areas of the North rely on it for sustenance hunting.
 
If he really wanted to be by the book he would had you empty your rifles magazine and chamber to account for how many legal rounds you have to shoot for hunting. In bc it's 5, regardless of an Enfield or a garand. Hence why they make 5 round enblocs for the garand. I don't know about Albertas hunting regs tho.
 
Instinctive answer is "It is your fracking job to know what you are enforcing."

The friendly answer is "Do they provide training for firearm identification?" To the untrained eye an AR15 looks just like a XCR/ACR. The former will get you jail time.
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What stumped me was his question "How do I know this is an Enfield?"

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Ramon: Agreed.

Semi-auto rifle for hunting is limited to 5 here by provincial regs.

The Officer's concern was with the status of the magazine itself under federal law, not it's application under a provincially governed activity.

I can recognize them at a glance by the mag shape, the nosepiece, and the hinged stock clamp, but that comes from familiarity.

Similarly to the AR/XCR differences. What document do you pull out (slowly) to show a reasonable but imperfectly informed person that what you're carrying is not an AR?
 
For use in hunting in Alberta there are limits.

A yes, the famous semi-auto Lee Enfield we are all familiar with.

AB Regs:

BIG GAME

It is unlawful to

1. set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting big game:

an auto-loading firearm that has the capacity to hold more than 5 cartridges in the magazine,
 
'...What stumped me was his question "How do I know this is an Enfield?" ...'


The same way he knows which species of deer, duck, bear, etc. you have shot. If he puts himself in the business of enforcing a regulation on something, he is in the business of knowing what that thing is and how to identify it.
 
I spoke to my provincial firearms officer on the phone on Friday.

Turns out they use a computerized question-based system, which due to data inherited from the LRG has MANY different variants of the Enfield line.

It is a partial answer, but it doesn't necessarily help me.

Does anyone have a copy of Jane's Small Arms of the 20th Century from which they'd be willing to scan a few pages?
 
If he really wanted to be by the book he would had you empty your rifles magazine and chamber to account for how many legal rounds you have to shoot for hunting. In bc it's 5, regardless of an Enfield or a garand. Hence why they make 5 round enblocs for the garand. I don't know about Albertas hunting regs tho.

BC Hunting regulations do not regulate the capacity of single projectile magazines. RIfles and shotguns using slugs can have the legal allowable Federal Firearms Act limit. (Unlimited in manual repeating firearms)

Shotguns using shot the magazines must not allow more than 2 shells. So 2+1
 
I wonder how they would deal with old lever action and pump action rifles with tube magazines which hold well over 5 rounds if they thought all centrefire rifles must be limited to just five round magazines? Some even hold over 10 rounds!
 
I could easily understand a younger officer not being familiar with a Lee Enfield. As a young man, I could recognize one a block away. OTOH, show me one of the XYZRTCBT modern whiz bang rifles - I wouldn't know what model it was. :confused:
 
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