what's my other hangun gonna be? a 1911 for IDPA. but which one?

JHP for any 1911 is asking for trouble.

You can send your slide to Casey @ TacOrd to modify the rear sight for you to look like this.

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Or, you can get this from Brownells.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=51687/sku/HD_001_1911_Rear_Sight
 
ok, so:

STI Spartan $790 (Freedom Venturues) - most recommended
RIA Tactical $664 (ArmsEast) - cheapest of the bunch
Taurus PT1911 $833 (Epps) - evidently really good, but customer support TBD


others not mentioned - are these worthwhile?

Springfield $760 (Epps)
Para GI Exp $660 (Epps)
 
mebiuspower said:
JHP for any 1911 is asking for trouble.

You can send your slide to Casey @ TacOrd to modify the rear sight for you to look like this.
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i'm actually gonna be buying the Glock from them. and yeah, that Trojan on their site looks NICE - really nice 'modern' grip panels, too.

why would JHPs in a 1911 be asking for trouble?
 
why buy 2 guns so close together... buy the glock OR the 1911 and spend the money you would have spent on the second gun on more ammo and maybe some training from One Shot Tactical.... one of thier defensive handgun courses will do you a world of good.
 
TIM_COX said:
why buy 2 guns so close together... buy the glock OR the 1911 and spend the money you would have spent on the second gun on more ammo and maybe some training from One Shot Tactical.... one of thier defensive handgun courses will do you a world of good.
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i don't think they're all that close together. plastic - metal. striker - exposed hammer. nearly no external safeties - two or more external safeties. high cap - low cap. light - heavy. funky sorta-SA trigger - plain simple SA trigger. ok, so they both have metal barrels pointing in the forward direction, and magazines in the grip, but even the grip angles are different. i dunno, if half of the stuff on this forum is any indication, they're about as different as a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost and Eleanor (Shelby GT500). a Hayabusa and a Harley.

i'll take a look at One Shot for training, though, and see what's suitable for my current level of skill (and schedule)
 
ah, i see what you mean. well, i'm planning ahead. the glock is first and depending on how bad my itch is, the 1911 could come very soon thereafter. it's just how i do things - lots of research ahead of time, but then once i decide to buy i tend to buy a handful of whatever it is i've been planning on.
 
TIM_COX said:
so close together, as in purchasing a new gun only a week or so apart...... you hardly have time to get used to shooting one before you purchase another.
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Probably the best advice on the thread. The two platforms are competely different. A Glock 17 or 34 will give you a very competitive pistol that can be shot in either SSP or ESP divisions. The guns are very reliable with upgrade parts available. 9MM is relatively inexpensive to shoot and easy to reload if you go that route.

Take Care

Bob
 
not sure why the reloading keeps coming up. :mad: i've already mentioned that i don't have any desire or plans to get into reloading - just not a part of this "sport" that i intend on touching, ever. seems some people like it and find it a necessary or enjoyable addition - i don't.

ya, the cost of the .45 ammo is gonna be a bit higher, but with commercial reloads it's feasible, and i wouldn't use the .45 for general plinking on casual days anyways. there's those 1911-type 22LR pistols coming out (at a snail's pace :rolleyes:) that are looking tempting for the plinker in me.

besides, i was asking about 1911 handguns specifically (and in .45 to boot), not calibers. i already know the costs of the various rounds and roughly how many i tend to go through on any given day at the range, so it's safe to assume i've factored that into the picture.


and now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming on 1911 pistols in the $500 to $800 range...
 
My first suggestion would also be the Spartan. But you want combat sights. Swapping target sights out for combat sights would leave the big flat spots in the slide and that would ruin it for me. So it seems to me like you need to start with a basic GI style gun that has combat sights already or be prepared to live with a "shelf" around your rear sight after the swap.

That leaves you with a couple of options. First there's the Norincos that have already been discussed a lot. But there's a couple of other options if you want the combat sights. Most would be GI style hammer and beavertail if that's OK but there's a couple that have the full beavertail and commander style hammer.

First is the new Regent in .45. Apparently this is made in Turkey by Tisas. Frontier has them for $600. I shot one two weeks ago and it grouped really nicely so the barrel quality and fit is certainly there on this one at least. My only two beefs were that the combat sights were VERY narrow (thin blade front and correspondingly narrow notch at rear) and the grips were just brown plastic. But both issues are easily fixed up without leaving any unsightly flat spots on the slide.

I see that Frontier also has a Para Ordnance at $700. But I've read enough stories about the new Para's that you'll need to make up your own mind on this one.

They've also got a Springfield GI right at $800.

Then there's always the option to settle in and check the EE for a nice used 1911 that suits your needs. It may take a couple of more months to find your perfect style that way but they turn up regularly enough that you'd have lots to choose from.
 
BP7 said:
not sure why the reloading keeps coming up. :mad: i've already mentioned that i don't have any desire or plans to get into reloading - just not a part of this "sport" that i intend on touching, ever. seems some people like it and find it a necessary or enjoyable addition - i don't.

ya, the cost of the .45 ammo is gonna be a bit higher, but with commercial reloads it's feasible, and i wouldn't use the .45 for general plinking on casual days anyways. there's those 1911-type 22LR pistols coming out (at a snail's pace :rolleyes:) that are looking tempting for the plinker in me.
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I don't shoot IDPA so I'm not too sure about the rules.... In IPSC, lot of guys reload to get a slight edge... Put in a little less powder to depower the ammo, while keeping it fast enough to make power factor.

ie: to make Major you need a min Power Factor of 170. Factory ammo usually chronos at about 185.... Most guys will reload their ammo to make Power factor of about 173-176.

Helps out a lot with recoil management and speeds up your splits

The savings in $$ is good too.

You also mentioned possible issues with HP ammo. If you reload your ammo, you can play with the Overall length. By loading your ammo slightly longer than spec can possibly fix issues when it comes to feeding HP ammo.

If you are serious about the sport, I don't think that there are any Master or Grand Master class shooters that don't reload their own ammo.
 
BP7 said:
details?

i'm listening..... which version did you have? stainless, steel, or aluminum? what did you dislike about the Spartan? where did the Taurus eclipse it? how long did you have them for?
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The STI Spartan is a decent pistol; I just don't believe the Taurus guns are leaving anything to them either in quality or features...they have everything the Spartans have, and in fact the PT1911 has a few features the Spartans don't have:

- Ambi-safety (although the OP didn't request this as a requirement)
- Front strap checkering (admitedly they aren't the prettiest out there, but they get the job done)
- Heinie Straight Eight Sights (again, a subjective pro/con depending on the type of sights sought by shooters)
- checkered steel backstrap
- They are a little more agressively priced right at around $750 for the blued model (I think mine was around $730 out the door).
- Zero break-in. This thing has been running like a top since day one, and still tight and crisp.

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Generally, I think Taurus has gained a bad rap for being low quality junk with poor service and support. Based on my experience with this alone, I think that maybe has changed.

Cheers!
 
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