Whats the point of 10/22 auto bolt release??

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Dweano

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I don't get it. What is the point of an auto bolt release??? It makes sense if there was a last shot hold open feature...but there ain't

Here is how I shoot my 10/22:
bang. bang. bang. click...remove empty mag, insert full mag. Pull back charging handle once, which recocks the gun and chambers a new round...bang bang bang
So switching between mags only take one pull back and release motion... why do I hear about auto bolt releases and why do these products exist????

Also speaking of weird Ruger things...why is the slingshot mod for Ruger MK series so popular? It holds the bolt open on the last shot, so all I do is insert a new mag and hit the bolt release, bam. Fastest thing I can think of and it only takes one hand once a new mag is in. Why do people like taking there second hand and pulling back to chamber a new round?? Seems slower and more inconvenient.

Thoughts?
 
Dweano said:
I don't get it. What is the point of an auto bolt release??? It makes sense if there was a last shot hold open feature...but there ain't

Here is how I shoot my 10/22:
bang. bang. bang. click...remove empty mag, insert full mag. Pull back charging handle once, which recocks the gun and chambers a new round...bang bang bang
So switching between mags only take one pull back and release motion... why do I hear about auto bolt releases and why do these products exist????

Also speaking of weird Ruger things...why is the slingshot mod for Ruger MK series so popular? It holds the bolt open on the last shot, so all I do is insert a new mag and hit the bolt release, bam. Fastest thing I can think of and it only takes one hand once a new mag is in. Why do people like taking there second hand and pulling back to chamber a new round?? Seems slower and more inconvenient.

Thoughts?
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Kinda answering your own question here. The point of the auto release is to remove the extra step of toggling the release lever before the bolt can close. Why wouldn't you want to remove this extra inconvenient step that slows you down???

While at a shooting range you would be required to lock your bolt back numerous times during the day. Each time the line is called you need to PROVE your gun safe (bolt open) eventually an open bolt will need to be closed. Who knows why Ruger incorporated this stupid feature instead of a last shot hold open.
 
Toggling the release lever? Not sure I follow.
The second paragraph is about Ruger 10/22's and the third paragraph is about (specifically) my Ruger 22/45.
 
The auto bolt release mod just makes reloading quicker and less painful. Considering it takes even an inexperienced "gunsmith" less than an hour to do its a nice little mod.
 
Hey don't get me wrong...I just did it today...because I had the trigger group apart to put in my volquartsen hammer so I figured why not. But I don't see how it will benefit me. How does it make reloading quicker and less painful?
 
If I have a ftf/fte, I think it helps being able to lock the bolt back, clear the issue and rack the bolt without needing to push on anything.
Imagine if on an AR if you had to rack the bolt and push a button when doing so.
If a 10/22 had a bolt release button and you didnt have to touch the charging handle, it would be awesome!
 
It's not like it's life changing or anything, it just saves a little time not having to press that little button and cycle the bolt. Maybe it's not awkward for you but a lot of people find it awkward so the quick release just gets rid of that little bit of hassle.
 
I find the little tab alright when locking the bolt back. But pressing on the tab just right at the front of the tab is annoying for me. The worry about the bolt coming forward into battery if bumped is small enough of a concern to me personally as I clean my 10/22 every ~500 rounds or so. Technically if your pin is somehow jammed forward, there is the possible risk that if the bolt did come forward in such a state, it would fire. However, if the in is such condition, I would bet it would also have firing issues. So I'm not worried. I have purposely bumped it with a mag in place releasing it, and all it did was chamber the round. It was worth it for me to have a 1 handed simple, pull back to release bolt, instead of trying to finagle the front of the tab just right while pulling back on the charge handle.

If I step away from my firearm at the range, in this case, I must leave it with the action locked open facing upwards. Every couple mags I take a mini break, have a drink, put up some fresh targets, sweep up my brass, etc. It's nice not having to use that tab when I release the bolt forward.

Like others have mentioned, it's not the end of the world, but for many it's highly preferred.
 
hmmmm, this makes me think.....

on some guns the part that actually toggles the bolt hold open is on the follower of the mag, so once its little finger sticks up when the last round is ripped out it hits a part on the bolt that holds it open.
wonder if there is some way to do that with a 10/22?

course we we need to make a mag that had that on the follower, then design and fab a part for the bolt that would catch and hold it open.

well the guns been in service for 50 years.
maybe on the 75th or 100th anv edition they will come out with that.
 
Timney makes a trigger for the 10/22 which I believe allows for last shot hold open and quick release. It's been a while though and I could be wrong.
 
Dweano said:
Yeah this makes sense now. I get why the auto bolt release is handy, but I never knew why people were locking there bolts back to begin with. But I guess clearing jams and at ranges makes sense. Check this out:

http://cstmtech.com/10-22bs2g/

Interesting
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$175 US seems a little much just to hold the bolt open after the last shot. I find that with a lot of practice I am now able to count all the way up to 25 so I know when to do a mag change but I hope 30-50 round mags don't become the norm as I will never be able to count that high:)
 
Dweano said:
I don't get it. What is the point of an auto bolt release??? It makes sense if there was a last shot hold open feature...but there ain't

Here is how I shoot my 10/22:
bang. bang. bang. click...remove empty mag, insert full mag. Pull back charging handle once, which recocks the gun and chambers a new round...bang bang bang
So switching between mags only take one pull back and release motion... why do I hear about auto bolt releases and why do these products exist????

Also speaking of weird Ruger things...why is the slingshot mod for Ruger MK series so popular? It holds the bolt open on the last shot, so all I do is insert a new mag and hit the bolt release, bam. Fastest thing I can think of and it only takes one hand once a new mag is in. Why do people like taking there second hand and pulling back to chamber a new round?? Seems slower and more inconvenient.

Thoughts?
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Nice to see some still apply logic before running out and purchasing useless items.

The mod is pointless folks. If you're running your rimfire at the range, you need to get away from the bench and hit the sticks. Non restricted firearms should be shot outdoors away from controlled environments. Using the factory manual hold open is far from difficult and is only useful if you're at a controlled (Nazi) range.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Nice to see some still apply logic before running out and purchasing useless items.

The mod is pointless folks. If you're running your rimfire at the range, you need to get away from the bench and hit the sticks. Non restricted firearms should be shot outdoors away from controlled environments. Using the factory manual hold open is far from difficult and is only useful if you're at a controlled (Nazi) range.

TDC
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While I shoot both on crown land and at the range. I can get to the range much quicker than I can Crown land. And I can discharge restricted and non-restricted when I get there.

Also, I clean my 10/22 every time I get back from shooting (usually about ~500 rounds). And I go shooting at least once a week. I lock the bolt back to clean the action and barrel. Not sure how you'd do that without locking the bolt back.

I also like that it then becomes a lot more like a typical semi-auto action, like a pistol, and you get more conformity in use/handling. I also like that when supporting my rifle with my left hand, and releasing the bolt with my right, I don't also have to finagle the release just so, at the front edge, of a thin tab, often with gloves on.

Do you never use your bolt lock at all?
 
TDC said:
Nice to see some still apply logic before running out and purchasing useless items.

The mod is pointless folks. If you're running your rimfire at the range, you need to get away from the bench and hit the sticks. Non restricted firearms should be shot outdoors away from controlled environments. Using the factory manual hold open is far from difficult and is only useful if you're at a controlled (Nazi) range.

TDC
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Uhh I think that the reason why it is so popular is because it is so cheap and easy to do yourself. I do not see how it be labelled as "pointless". It removes one extra step in releasing the bolt from the locked back position. I believe that the majority of us find this a change for the better.
 
TDC said:
Nice to see some still apply logic before running out and purchasing useless items.
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I didn't purchase anything, I spent a few minutes altering the stock piece when I had it apart for a cleaning.


TDC said:
The mod is pointless folks. If you're running your rimfire at the range, you need to get away from the bench and hit the sticks. Non restricted firearms should be shot outdoors away from controlled environments. Using the factory manual hold open is far from difficult and is only useful if you're at a controlled (Nazi) range.
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Thanks for telling me how I should be shooting my guns, I never could have figured that out on my own. Just because you think it is worthless doesn't mean it has no value for others. It is 35 minutes to my range, 1.5+ hours to crown land and I can't shoot restricteds in the bush. Since I shoot at least 99% of my rounds at a range the mod is far from useless and it makes the operation of my 10/22 the same as every other semi I own, where I slingshot the slide or drop the bolt to load the first round on a new mag.


Mark
 
Once I see the tracer I know a stoppage is imminent and I swap mags ! Scares the begeezus out of the gophers too !
 
Dweano said:
I don't get it. What is the point of an auto bolt release??? It makes sense if there was a last shot hold open feature...but there ain't........why do I hear about auto bolt releases and why do these products exist????

Also speaking of weird Ruger things...why is the slingshot mod for Ruger MK series so popular? ......Why do people like taking there second hand and pulling back to chamber a new round?? Seems slower and more inconvenient.

Thoughts?
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On the rifle if you're simply switching mags and carrying on you're right. There's no need for a auto release. The use for it is those times when you insert a fresh magazine into a locked back gun and want to drop the bolt forward. Such as after a cease fire where we need to lock the bolt back then rack the rifles with the chambers open. Upon return and when the range goes hot again it makes it easier to slip in the next magazine and drop the bolt by just pulling the bolt handle back and letting go.

There's no doubt though that for locking back or releasing that the control on the 10-22 is one of the oddest things to use in all creation. Which is likely why so many take great delight in modifying them or buying the aftermarket ones.

In the case of the Mk III pistols it's been reported more than once that continued use of the slide lock to drop the slide without pulling back slightly to reduce or remove the tension is hard on the notch in the bolt. I've seen more than one story where this was done regularly and the slide lock doesn't work any more due to the distortion of the notch on the bolt. The generally accepted correct way to drop the slide is to pull the slide back to take the pressure off the slide lock and then hold down the slide lock button then let go of the slide.
 
BCRider said:
On the rifle if you're simply switching mags and carrying on you're right. There's no need for a auto release. The use for it is those times when you insert a fresh magazine into a locked back gun and want to drop the bolt forward. Such as after a cease fire where we need to lock the bolt back then rack the rifles with the chambers open. Upon return and when the range goes hot again it makes it easier to slip in the next magazine and drop the bolt by just pulling the bolt handle back and letting go.

There's no doubt though that for locking back or releasing that the control on the 10-22 is one of the oddest things to use in all creation. Which is likely why so many take great delight in modifying them or buying the aftermarket ones.

In the case of the Mk III pistols it's been reported more than once that continued use of the slide lock to drop the slide without pulling back slightly to reduce or remove the tension is hard on the notch in the bolt. I've seen more than one story where this was done regularly and the slide lock doesn't work any more due to the distortion of the notch on the bolt. The generally accepted correct way to drop the slide is to pull the slide back to take the pressure off the slide lock and then hold down the slide lock button then let go of the slide.
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Makes sense I guess! I guess my main question was why is the bolt even locked back, but range use makes sense. Not a big range guy myself. On the MKIII it begs the question why is the bolt lock used then??? The 22/45 is mimicking the 1911 right? On my 1911 when the slide locks back I change mags and hit the slide release...does that also wear down my 1911?? Should the slingshot action be used on a 1911 too?
 
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