What's with prices these days

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powdergun

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I will be the first to say that a fellow has a right to ask whatever price he wants for his guns but what is going on:confused: ? Looking at the EE forums and seeing gun after gun advertised for new or more than new prices for used items is getting a little frustrating. ( I won't list any specific cases so as not to offend )

Am I missing the news of an upcoming shortage or something ? To me a used gun should not be selling at a new price even if you are saving the tax. With used you are taking a chance and as they say Caveat emptor so prices should reflect this. I know that you are all going to tell me if I don't like the price then don't buy the gun which is sound advice. Maybe I'm just out of touch as every gun I've sold is priced well below new even if it is mint and I always lose money. However, the quicker I sell the sooner I can buy another one and after all isn't that a sign of a true gun nut:D
 
My 2 cents

Seems the strong dollar has lower prices last year or so.

I think people are lookin at what they paid, moreso than what it is to replace.
 
rifles even at retail are cheaper now than 4 or 5 years ago.....at least rifles that are made in the US or are imported thru the US....
the SPS has killed the used prices for Rem 700's....4 or 5 years ago I bought many used walnut stocked 700 ADL's for an average of maybe $350....now for another $100-$150 you can get the new SPS with a floorplate and a synthetic stock.......guys are going this route...you can hardly sell a used blued synthetic 700 for $450 these days.....and that's if it's nearly new...and if it doesn't have a floorplate you can knock off at least $50.....
The new Weatherby Vanguards are selling for very good prices as are the Tikka T3's....and Savage.....well guys do buy them...
 
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A person can ask whatever they want for their firearms. If it sells, great, if not, well, something has to change. I guess it depends on how bad the person wants to sell and the prospective buyer wants that particular firearm.
 
I agree with Rembo.

With the addition of the SPS to the 700 lineup and the 200 to the Savage lineup it makes any used gun (in a calibre offered by the sps or 200) not a very smart buy unless it is a really really good price.(maybe if it includes rings, dies, bases, brass, and bullets)

With the availability of decent aftermarket stocks (or factory takeoffs) and an acraglass bedding kit its hard to justify most of the higher priced used guns on the EE.


Of course this only aplies to a basic bolt rifle and the SPS and 200 cant be compared to some of the collectables and rare finds on the EE.
 
There's also an element of 'gun show pricing' at work. Some sellers are motivated, and their prices reflect that. Others aren't, and don't. It's ALWAYS worth making an offer though--don't let the asking price intimidate you into not bidding on something you really want.
 
What is good manners ?

I know that a fellow can ask or offer whatever they feel but what would be considered proper manners. Haveing dealt with real estate I've seen how people become personally enraged with low offers and walk away from potential deals.

Example: New price on Rifle $600
Used asking price: $575

Offer: $400 shipped insult or not ? ( I made up these #'s not from EE )

The reason for this question is to be able to guage prices and know when its worth making an offer. Making people angry with overly low offers has a tendancy to burn bridges for future deals.
 
Your right, all the stuff on ee should be
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Half Price ! :D
 
In reality I think sellers have to be willing to take a hit on their near new rifles. Particularly those that are commonly available. A 22 swift used for one hunt only in Alberta may not in reality be anything like new on the inside.

I don't think to many buyers are going to take any amount of "risk" buying a used gun over the net for the sake of only $100 bucks off a brand new one.
 
powdergun said:
I know that a fellow can ask or offer whatever they feel but what would be considered proper manners. Haveing dealt with real estate I've seen how people become personally enraged with low offers and walk away from potential deals.

Example: New price on Rifle $600
Used asking price: $575

Offer: $400 shipped insult or not ? ( I made up these #'s not from EE )

The reason for this question is to be able to guage prices and know when its worth making an offer. Making people angry with overly low offers has a tendancy to burn bridges for future deals.
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I say 1/2 the sellers who are offered $400, won't take it as a serious offer and it would end there. No serious reply or no reply.
 
Powdergun, I feel your pain. I can honestly say I loose money everytime I go to sell a toy, sometimes loosing alot. It is generally a learning experience, I am to the point now where I unless it is just the way it is described and exactly what is needed then as tough as it is, I hope another will come along eventually at a more reasonable price.
To think the money I've wasted on guns so far, I could probably have had Martini&Hagn build me a real gun that would have done it all makes me shudder!
 
After about 10 weekly "BTT" 's , you'd think maybe they'd catch on !
Probably P.T. Barnum's fault ... he started that stuff about "there's a sucker
born every minute" ... a good part of the EE Forum must think so too.

On the other hand ... good guns, adequately described & priced appropriately, seem to move pretty quickly.
 
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I find that unless the item is in demand, or hard to find, the asking price is difficult to achieve. Also, prices range from area to area. For instance in the greater Toronto area, prices on a bubba Lee enfield might bring 50-75$ and yet out west or down east they may bring another 25-50$. On the other side, flipping through any of the big chain store catalogues will let you know that yes you can buy a decent bolt action - not pretty of course, for a very reasonable rate. This price is usually much lower than asking prices for Rem 700's and the like. Another factor you also deal with is that generally older guns were better built with greater quality control measures than modern ones: pre-64 '94s, pre-64 mod 70's, some prefer earlier model 700s, pre j-lock guns etc. If you look at a Belgian Browning Safari versus a new Rem SPS, new gun or not, the older Browing is still twice the gun if you can get it for the same price. Yes some prices are out of whack on the EE forum, and I believe these guns are not being sold. Excuse my ramblings and 2 cents worth. Safe shooting, Peter.
 
thankfully im not the only one noticing this. :rolleyes: like seriously wtf. ive been looking for a 10/22 for a few months now and its getting annoying seeing people selling their guns that are a few years old for about 50 bucks less then a new one AFTER taxes and shipping. thanks but i think anyone will spend an extra 50 bucks for a new one:rolleyes:

hell pretty much any 870 for sale is up FS for more then a new one. some that i have seen would actually turn out to be more expensive than a brand new one even after shipping/tax.

maybe i should be like these guys when i go to sell my truck...lol:D
 
powdergun said:
Maybe I'm just out of touch as every gun I've sold is priced well below new even if it is mint and I always lose money. However, the quicker I sell the sooner I can buy another one and after all isn't that a sign of a true gun nut:D
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People look in EE for a good deal based on today's retail prices. If I can get it new, why buy it used? I want to see that what I'm getting in EE is a better deal than if I got it elsewhere new... Plus I'd rather be able to support fellow CGNers than deal outside!

Like all bargaining, give and take I suppose.
 
I have sold everything I've posted fairly quickly.......not necessarily on the CGN E.E., but posted here or there or the Bargainfinder etc......price it right and it WILL MOVE FAST! Ask too high and no one wants to talk to you. Just takes some looking to find the right deals. What drives me insane is the people who reply to a post asking 575 and tell the seller they can get the item for 400 over here or on ebaaa etc...undermining the seller to others. Mean people suck!
 
some of the pricing has been a bit much for a while now. Gun prices seem to have flattened out, even enfields have dropped a bit over the last few months. No5's that were selling for about $400 6 months back are not moving now.

But sellers are asking for top dollar. I hate making an offer, If I do I try not to go less then 10% under the asking price. If your asking more then what I think its worth then I'm not interested.
 
I've only sold 2 items on the EE so I don't pay as much attention as most guys. My take on it is if you are a seller, it all depends on how urgent you need to sell something. If you NEED to sell quick, you price accordingly.

If you are a buyer, I guess it depends on how badly you want or need something that you find posted in the forum.

I few months back I posted a mint Parker Hale 303 w/ a new Tasco scope. I started a little high ($375 shipped if I remember correctly) and gradually lowered the price. I had $230 alone invested in the scope and having it mounted (base plate, rings, drilling/tapping, etc.) Almost as soon as I posted, I had 2 PM's from guys saying that the price was too high and they could get this gun elsewhere for $100 - 125. I was told that the scope and the $$ invested in mounting the scope brought no value to the gun and I basically should consider throwing them in for free. I didn't agree. One made an offer for less than 1/3 what I was asking. I politely declined as I was in no hurry to sell.

After a few weeks, someone else showed interest and we eventually struck a deal at $325 shipped (from NB to BC). If he didn't like the gun, I'd refund his money. Anyways, he was looking for a nice 303 that was in good shape and didn't have to go through the hassle of putting a scope on it. So it met his need and was willing to pay. I've checked with him several times over the past few months and he remains very pleased.

But I agree, the grossly overpriced stuff will just sit there.
 
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