Wheeler Firearm tools

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Hi Fellas . More Questions .
#1 Do any of you have the Wheeler Firearm Tool Kit ? Is it quality ? Do the bits of different sizes match to the screws ?

#2 Concerning Pull weight of triggers what is a good digital one to purchase ?

#3 Do you use the cleaning rods that come with your pistol or do you buy higher end ones ?

Thank You !
Leavenworth
 
#1 Wheeler tools (any that I have bought) are what I would consider, good quality. They may or may not be the very best, but they're up there.

#2 I have a Lyman digital trigger scale. Not cheap, but it seems well made - is easy to use and accurate.

#3 Depends on the quality of the rod. If Freedom Arms supplied the cleaning rod, I'd have no problem with it. I have bought some Mil Surp. pistols that came with a cleaning rod, that I wouldn't use.
 
Thanks for the reply fir@will !
#1 Wheeler tools (any that I have bought) are what I would consider, good quality. They may or may not be the very best, but they're up there.

#2 I have a Lyman digital trigger scale. Not cheap, but it seems well made - is easy to use and accurate.

#3 Depends on the quality of the rod. If Freedom Arms supplied the cleaning rod, I'd have no problem with it. I have bought some Mil Surp. pistols that came with a cleaning rod, that I wouldn't use.
 
Wheelers are just fine. Lyman and Weaver make decent tools too. There is such a variety of screw head dimensions out there it is good to have a set with lots of bits. I've seen so many bubba'ed screws on nice guns, it makes me cringe. If it is a user, i'm not too fussed though. You may read various reviews, critical that some of the bits are on the soft side. That is not a bad thing as it will minimize inadvertent scratches and marring to the gun and screw head. Several sets have duplicate bits of the same dimensions for this reason.
 
...#1 Do any of you have the Wheeler Firearm Tool Kit ? Is it quality ? Do the bits of different sizes match to the screws ?

#2 Concerning Pull weight of triggers what is a good digital one to purchase ?

#3 Do you use the cleaning rods that come with your pistol or do you buy higher end ones ?...

1. Yes. Quality of the Wheeler sets are "okay" in my opinion. For the price, for hollow ground bits for gunsmithing, there really aren't any alternatives that I know of. Note that these sets are really mostly just useful for the slot head screws on your revolvers and leverguns, I don't come across many of these on other types of firearms in my collection. The other bits (hex, torx, Phillips) are exactly the same as generic tools, and not very comprehensive. The specialty bits are great if you need them, of course. Slot head screw fit is terrific (I have the 89-pc set). Are they soft? Well, the hardness of the bits are engineered so that you are less likely to overtorque any given screw - The bit will bend before you overtorque and/or damage the screw head. If your gun has screws that were installed incorrectly (cross threaded, overtorqued, or red loctited), then these bits may not be up to the task of removing them. That's not what these bits are designed for, and I think that's where many of the "soft steel" complaints come from.

1a. My set came with some extra duplicate bits, and a couple missing. I emailed Wheeler and they sent replacements immediately, no charge.

2. No comment on the type. You might consider buying a suitable torque wrench before a trigger pull gauge. Depending on your needs it will be much more useful.

3. If you shoot and clean your firearms regularly, you will soon appreciate having quality cleaning rods, brushes, and jags (Dewey, Tipton, etc.). Once I commit to a shooting any given caliber, the respective cleaning tools follow very quickly.
 
Alpining . Thank You for your reply !
Leavenworth
1. Yes. Quality of the Wheeler sets are "okay" in my opinion. For the price, for hollow ground bits for gunsmithing, there really aren't any alternatives that I know of. Note that these sets are really mostly just useful for the slot head screws on your revolvers and leverguns, I don't come across many of these on other types of firearms in my collection. The other bits (hex, torx, Phillips) are exactly the same as generic tools, and not very comprehensive. The specialty bits are great if you need them, of course. Slot head screw fit is terrific (I have the 89-pc set). Are they soft? Well, the hardness of the bits are engineered so that you are less likely to overtorque any given screw - The bit will bend before you overtorque and/or damage the screw head. If your gun has screws that were installed incorrectly (cross threaded, overtorqued, or red loctited), then these bits may not be up to the task of removing them. That's not what these bits are designed for, and I think that's where many of the "soft steel" complaints come from.

1a. My set came with some extra duplicate bits, and a couple missing. I emailed Wheeler and they sent replacements immediately, no charge.

2. No comment on the type. You might consider buying a suitable torque wrench before a trigger pull gauge. Depending on your needs it will be much more useful.

3. If you shoot and clean your firearms regularly, you will soon appreciate having quality cleaning rods, brushes, and jags (Dewey, Tipton, etc.). Once I commit to a shooting any given caliber, the respective cleaning tools follow very quickly.
 
If your not into "sets" then I would suggest a WERA torque screwdriver? or similar, I use the 11-29 inch pounds IIRC, and it's well made and accurate. You can buy individual tips for your certain needs? Also "Fix-it" sticks are good, I have a set and the bits and limiters seem well made. Well made bits, and a accurate torque are important when you get into mounting MRDS.
If you are looking to "invest" in some quality tools, I use Grace USA from Brownells, well made and excellent quality IMO.
 
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#2 Concerning Pull weight of triggers what is a good digital one to purchase ?

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Is several types of USA competitions that require a rifle trigger to support a specified weight - so if you want a "cheap" trigger pull gauge - make one from wire and an empty pop bottle - add as much water as you want for your target weight. I made two - my triggers on my hunting rifles need to "hold" or pick up the lighter weight, and must always trip when trying to lift the heavier one. I wanted a weight number - so I used my postal scale and marked the weight on each - one is 3.25 pounds and other is 3.5 pounds. Both of them are made from 2 litre plastic bottles. All my triggers (that I have "worked on") will "pick up" the lighter weight, and all will be tripped by the heavier weight. You can get as fussy or fine tuned as you want to - I am not a good enough shooter to see any need for finer distinction than I have - but I do know that all the triggers on the various hunting rifles here are the same pull weight - within those parameters.

I am no doubt a bit "odd" - most years I spend thousands of dollars on firearms and reloading stuff - some years was ten times that - yet I prefer not to pay $69.99 for a made-in-China item that I can do the same thing for cents or for free with stuff already here.

My low cost / no cost "trigger pull gauges": Would need longer wires to be used without removing the rifle stock. The marked weight includes the wire and the bottle cap. The wire was cut from wire clothes hangers, that my wife was throwing into garbage.

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Thank You for the reply !
Leavenworth
If your not into "sets" then I would suggest a WERA torque screwdriver? or similar, I use the 11-29 inch pounds IIRC, and it's well made and accurate. You can buy individual tips for your certain needs? Also "Fix-it" sticks are good, I have a set and the bits and limiters seem well made. Well made bits, and a accurate torque are important when you get into mounting MRDS.
If you are looking to "invest" in some quality tools, I use Grace USA from Brownells, well made and excellent quality IMO.
 
Now that’s Genius Frugality !
Leavenworth .
Is several types of USA competitions that require a rifle trigger to support a specified weight - so if you want a "cheap" trigger pull gauge - make one from wire and an empty pop bottle - add as much water as you want for your target weight. I made two - my triggers on my hunting rifles need to "hold" or pick up the lighter weight, and must always trip when trying to lift the heavier one. I wanted a weight number - so I used my postal scale and marked the weight on each - one is 3.25 pounds and other is 3.5 pounds. Both of them are made from 2 litre plastic bottles. All my triggers (that I have "worked on") will "pick up" the lighter weight, and all will be tripped by the heavier weight. You can get as fussy or fine tuned as you want to - I am not a good enough shooter to see any need for finer distinction than I have - but I do know that all the triggers on the various hunting rifles here are the same pull weight - within those parameters.

I am no doubt a bit "odd" - most years I spend thousands of dollars on firearms and reloading stuff - some years ten times that - yet I prefer not to pay $69.99 for a made-in-China item that I can do the same thing for cents or for free with stuff already here.
 
Now that’s Genius Frugality !
Leavenworth .
Is several types of USA competitions that require a rifle trigger to support a specified weight - so if you want a "cheap" trigger pull gauge - make one from wire and an empty pop bottle - add as much water as you want for your target weight. I made two - my triggers on my hunting rifles need to "hold" or pick up the lighter weight, and must always trip when trying to lift the heavier one. I wanted a weight number - so I used my postal scale and marked the weight on each - one is 3.25 pounds and other is 3.5 pounds. Both of them are made from 2 litre plastic bottles. All my triggers (that I have "worked on") will "pick up" the lighter weight, and all will be tripped by the heavier weight. You can get as fussy or fine tuned as you want to - I am not a good enough shooter to see any need for finer distinction than I have - but I do know that all the triggers on the various hunting rifles here are the same pull weight - within those parameters.

I am no doubt a bit "odd" - most years I spend thousands of dollars on firearms and reloading stuff - some years ten times that - yet I prefer not to pay $69.99 for a made-in-China item that I can do the same thing for cents or for free with stuff already here.
 
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