Where can one purchase 7.63 Mauser in Canada?

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As the title says, I'm looking for a place to buy 7.63 Mauser in canada. I've found several American websites that carry it, but haven't found any Canadian sources.

If anyone can point me in the right direction as where to find some I would appreciate it.

Thanks!
 
This ammo is available from site sponsors above. Almost all carry it. PPU and S&B are mostly what we have available in country.
If its Fiocchi prepare to pay double if not triple, good brass though for reloading. If you do then best way is to make it out of 7.62 tok ammo, just reduce charge by couple of grains and reuse all components.
Even surplus ammo can be used for this as well.
good luck
 
Once can shoot down-loaded TT-33 ammo. There's a common myth that TT ammo is hotter, it's BS. For practical purpose 7.62x25 and 7.63 Mauser are the same as former is a rip-off of latter. 7.63 was actually hotter than 7.62 (CIP maximum pressure is 2400 for 7.63 versus 2500 for 7.63 Mauser, while nominal Soviet pressure is close to 2030). There are couple of considerations here - most C96s are very old and common sense dictates use lighter loads, but they _should_ be able to fire mil spec 7.62 ammo. Second note - commercial S&B (edited) 7.62x25 is hotter than military rounds so those should not be used as is.
BTW Interammo use to sell repackaged Soviet 7.62x25 as "7.62 Mauser (.30 Mauser)" - yes, it's not my typo, it's how the box was labeled - "7.62 Mauser".
 
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How many Broomhandles have been wrecked with Tokarev ammo? SMG Czech ammo in the 1500fps range etc.If you can't buy the correct ammo load the Tokarev brass with 7.63 mauser data.........problem solved.
 
Trade-Ex does have buckets of new brass and bags of slugs in stock. Fast service, too!

I just got the makings for 9mm Steyr from them, so can stop using .223 brass to feed my 1911.
 
mbogo3 said:
SMG Czech ammo in the 1500fps range etc
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There's no such thing as "SMG Czech ammo", it's another myth. All mil-spec 7.62x25 is hot enough to be used for SMG. As I said above the only one that is hotter then mil-spec is modern commercial S&B (I mistakenly called it PPU).
 
Horilka said:
Once can shoot down-loaded TT-33 ammo. There's a common myth that TT ammo is hotter, it's BS. For practical purpose 7.62x25 and 7.63 Mauser are the same as former is a rip-off of latter. 7.63 was actually hotter than 7.62 (CIP maximum pressure is 2400 for 7.63 versus 2500 for 7.63 Mauser, while nominal Soviet pressure is close to 2030). There are couple of considerations here - most C96s are very old and common sense dictates use lighter loads, but they _should_ be able to fire mil spec 7.62 ammo. Second note - commercial S&B (edited) 7.62x25 is hotter than military rounds so those should not be used as is.
BTW Interammo use to sell repackaged Soviet 7.62x25 as "7.62 Mauser (.30 Mauser)" - yes, it's not my typo, it's how the box was labeled - "7.62 Mauser".
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According to the CIP website, the average maximum pressure for 7.63 Mauser is 2250 bar while the 7.62 Tok is 2500 bar. The 7.62 Tok IS loaded hotter
(http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/en/tdcc_public?page=1&cartridge_type_id=4)
 
Problem with 7.62 tok vs 7.63 mauser is that tok ammo is steel cased and may also have bimetal jackets. Mauser C96 action was not conceived to be used with ammo that has steel cases. 7.63 use brass cases and therefore easier on the action of firearm. When people shoot steel cased ammo in these guns , that is when parts brake and damage occurs. Not because of hotter ammo.
 
When soviet ammo production could not meet with needs of the army and shortage of color metals became apparent, then they switched to steel cases. Ammo case is disposable anyway and cheaper to produce. Steelcase as well can handle higher pressures than brass cased ammo. Now because steel case is lighter, stronger and can have few more grains of powder soviet ammo makers changed bullet construction and name designation and called new round 7.62x25. While 7.63 is forward compatible with any soviet firearms its brass case that soviet army could not afford to throw away.
 
sgt_hebert said:
According to the CIP website, the average maximum pressure for 7.63 Mauser is 2250 bar while the 7.62 Tok is 2500 bar. The 7.62 Tok IS loaded hotter
(http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/en/tdcc_public?page=1&cartridge_type_id=4)
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Interesting. This horse had been beaten to death @castboolits and @cartridgecollectors forums. I have no idea how and when CIP data changed in terms of max pressure, however what one has t o pay attention to is nominal cartridge pressure. For 7.62x25 according to Bolotin's book on Soviet cartridges "максимальное давление газов — 2100 кг/см2 (205 МПа)" - "Maximum gases pressure - 2100 kg/cm2 (205 MPa)" which translates to 2032.466 atm or 2060 Bar pressure. No way near CIP max data for 7.63 that was 2500 and now 2250.

Here, found old post when it still was 2500.
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/7-62x25-russian-tokarev-or-7-63x25-mauser-30-mauser/16312/4

Here are FPS measurements (of course it's not exactly pressure, but close enough in first proximity):
(from https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/differences-between-7-62-tokarev-and-7-63-mauser.733666/#post-9190570)

.30 Mauser, 7,63 Mauser, 7.63x25mm Mauser

W.H.B. Smith, "Small Arms of the World", Stackpole, 1966
7.63 Mauser WWII military issue, 1575 fps from 5.5 inch barrel, Mauser 1932 version of the C96.

Prvi Partizan PPU Serbia
7.63x25 85gr bullet 460 mps (1495 fps) from 150mm 6 inch barrel.

U.S. commercial .30 Mauser in the 1970 Gun Digest
7.63 Mauser US commercial, 1410 fps from C96 .

And,
7.62x25mm Tokarev, various sources.

Prvi Partizan PPU Serbia
7.62x25 85gr bullet 525 mps (1706 fps) from 250mm 10 inch barrel.

Sellier&Bellot S&B Czech
7.62x25 85gr bullet 503 mps (1630 fps) from 120mm 4.8 inch barrel. - S&B is hottest for short barrels

W.H.B. Smith, "Small Arms of the World", Stackpole, 1966
7.62x25 Russian WWII issue, 1640 fps from 10.6 inch barrel (PPSh 41).
7.62x25 Russian WWII issue, 1378 fps from TT33 Tokarev pistol.
7.62x25 Czech M48 ammo, 1800 fps from 11.2 inch barrel (M24 and M26)
7.62x25 Czech M48 ammo, 1600 fps from CZ52 pistol.


P.S. Steel cases could be a valid point though.
 
Horilka said:
Interesting. This horse had been beaten to death @castboolits and @cartridgecollectors forums. I have no idea how and when CIP data changed in terms of max pressure, however what one has t o pay attention to is nominal cartridge pressure. For 7.62x25 according to Bolotin's book on Soviet cartridges "максимальное давление газов — 2100 кг/см2 (205 МПа)" - "Maximum gases pressure - 2100 kg/cm2 (205 MPa)" which translates to 2032.466 atm or 2060 Bar pressure. No way near CIP max data for 7.63 that was 2500 and now 2250.

Here, found old post when it still was 2500.
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/7-62x25-russian-tokarev-or-7-63x25-mauser-30-mauser/16312/4

Here are FPS measurements (of course it's not exactly pressure, but close enough in first proximity):
(from https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-tokarev-and-7-63-mauser.733666/#post-9190570)

.30 Mauser, 7,63 Mauser, 7.63x25mm Mauser

W.H.B. Smith, "Small Arms of the World", Stackpole, 1966
7.63 Mauser WWII military issue, 1575 fps from 5.5 inch barrel, Mauser 1932 version of the C96.

Prvi Partizan PPU Serbia
7.63x25 85gr bullet 460 mps (1495 fps) from 150mm 6 inch barrel.

U.S. commercial .30 Mauser in the 1970 Gun Digest
7.63 Mauser US commercial, 1410 fps from C96 .

And,
7.62x25mm Tokarev, various sources.

Prvi Partizan PPU Serbia
7.62x25 85gr bullet 525 mps (1706 fps) from 250mm 10 inch barrel.

Sellier&Bellot S&B Czech
7.62x25 85gr bullet 503 mps (1630 fps) from 120mm 4.8 inch barrel. - S&B is hottest for short barrels

W.H.B. Smith, "Small Arms of the World", Stackpole, 1966
7.62x25 Russian WWII issue, 1640 fps from 10.6 inch barrel (PPSh 41).
7.62x25 Russian WWII issue, 1378 fps from TT33 Tokarev pistol.
7.62x25 Czech M48 ammo, 1800 fps from 11.2 inch barrel (M24 and M26)
7.62x25 Czech M48 ammo, 1600 fps from CZ52 pistol.


P.S. Steel cases could be a valid point though.
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I cannot speak with certainty, but it could be due to the use of different powder resulting in different pressure curve. It most be noted that none of the velocity have been measured using the same barrel length. And as for when did CIP change their data, the last revision is dated 2006-09-19 for both cartridge.
 
lol. Box says right stuff, but picture looks like 7.65 para.
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