hello all i am interested in a black powder rifled schutzen rifle, i would like to do a kit and am wondering where to start? do they sell these as kits anywere ? another option i have considers is building one from a jaeger rifle or a baker rifle replica, which caliber would be best if possible i would like to hit a shillouet at 200 yards, as well if i were to make one from a existing replica where would one go about aquiring flip up peep sights? any help would be apreciated thanks again for any advise im all ears.
where to get a schutzen rifle kit
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As mooncoon suggested, BP cartridge schutzen is quite popular in some areas, and some very good results/scores are posted. If at all interested, an excellent rifle can be built using existing single shot action and rebarrelling or using existing barrel, and proper dimensioned wood is avail. from Treebone carving and others. Ballard and Win. 1885 actions, among others are used, chamberings are usually .32 to .38 cal. incl. .32/40 and .38/55. It is a very interesting shooting discipline.
They are muzzleloaders.
The few I know of were pretty much handmade, many parts came from Track of the Wolf and a few parts they cast themselves (hooked buttplate to match the "real" one). They used an original as a template. A 38 to 45 slug gun (as opposed to a patched ball) will do just fine out to 200 yards, however you will need to match the twist rate to the length (weight) of bullet you are using.
Most of the "kit" guns have a twist rate around 48 to 66, which is fine for round ball. The 48:1 is used as a compromise and is OK with both round ball and short slugs (minie ball). However with longer slugs better suited for long range, you need a faster twist than 48:1, which can get down into the 20's for the smaller calibres/longer slugs.
It has been a number of years since I was last involved and am sure that others here will chime in with more info.
The few I know of were pretty much handmade, many parts came from Track of the Wolf and a few parts they cast themselves (hooked buttplate to match the "real" one). They used an original as a template. A 38 to 45 slug gun (as opposed to a patched ball) will do just fine out to 200 yards, however you will need to match the twist rate to the length (weight) of bullet you are using.
Most of the "kit" guns have a twist rate around 48 to 66, which is fine for round ball. The 48:1 is used as a compromise and is OK with both round ball and short slugs (minie ball). However with longer slugs better suited for long range, you need a faster twist than 48:1, which can get down into the 20's for the smaller calibres/longer slugs.
It has been a number of years since I was last involved and am sure that others here will chime in with more info.
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vagrantviking
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Generally people think of Ballards and other single shot cartridge rifles when mentioning schuetzen. The jaeger and baker rifles are muzzleloaders so I'm pretty sure thats what you are thinking. Whitworth would a name to look at too as a civil war era target rifle.
This is some pretty specialized stuff and I really doubt that you will find a kit for one. Dixe Gun Works and Track of the Wolf are 2 of the biggest players in the black powder game and would be a place to start.
Here's a book: ht tp://www.germanguns.com/books/B082.html
I'll throw out a couple links that might help in your search:
http://wyomingschuetzen.com/
http://www.lrml.org/
http://www.assra.com/
http://www.issa-schuetzen.org/index.php
This is some pretty specialized stuff and I really doubt that you will find a kit for one. Dixe Gun Works and Track of the Wolf are 2 of the biggest players in the black powder game and would be a place to start.
Here's a book: ht tp://www.germanguns.com/books/B082.html
I'll throw out a couple links that might help in your search:
http://wyomingschuetzen.com/
http://www.lrml.org/
http://www.assra.com/
http://www.issa-schuetzen.org/index.php
Many breech loading schuetzen rifles were intended to be used as either breech or muzzle loaders. These rifles incorporated a false muzzle, a removable piece of rifled barrel, to facilitate starting the bullet down the barrel. The powder charge and primer were loaded from the breech in a case.
Alternately, a bullet could be seated from the breech or fixed ammunition used.
Alternately, a bullet could be seated from the breech or fixed ammunition used.
if you are buying a custom barrel for shooting bullets either muzzle loaded or cartridge, I would suggest ordering a twist rate based on 1" faster than predicted by the Greenhill formula T = 150 D squared over L and that of course presumes you know what length of bullet you intend to shoot.
Still comes back to what sort of gun (cartridge or muzzle loader) you are looking for and what you intend to do with it.
cheers mooncoon
Still comes back to what sort of gun (cartridge or muzzle loader) you are looking for and what you intend to do with it.
cheers mooncoon
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- West coast of Vancouver Island
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