Which Mauser?

[redbonefish]

Hey guys,

I am currently looking at buying a classic, military style Mauser. So far I have a few choices;

-Yugo M48: Marstar sells them unissued for $480.
-VZ 24: TradeexCanada sells them in very good condition for $420.
-Israeli .30 cal converted: random people sell them on EE for around $500 bucks.

I plan to customize these rifles quite a bit so I am not into them for the collecting or historical value and because of that I am leaning a little bit towards the Yugo M48.

Any other choices that would be good?

I know there is a search option and google but I did a fair share of research already and I thought making another thread would be nice . I also want to stick to something .30 cal or chambered in 8mm Mauser.

Thanks a lot.

 

[mmattockx]

Define "customize". I expect that this crowd is going to tell you to not buy any of those and I agree. If you want to bubba the thing, find a sporter that has already been abused and have at it.

Mark

 

[redbonefish]

Define "customize". I expect that this crowd is going to tell you to not buy any of those and I agree. If you want to bubba the thing, find a sporter that has already been abused and have at it.

Mark

I do not want a nasty ass budda sporter. I just want to add a scout scope or one of those side mounting scopes. Maybe a different stock down the line.

Also why do you care what I do to my gun?

 

[iroc22]

If you're going to modify something collectable, I'd recommend you get a FN Mauser 98 of some form instead. Either Parker Hale or Husqvarna (cheaper option). Good strong action too.

 

[redbonefish]

If you're going to modify something collectable, I'd recommend you get a FN Mauser 98 of some form instead. Either Parker Hale or Husqvarna (cheaper option). Good strong action too.

I really want a full military stock + military irons.

 

[Desert_Fox]

I presume you are more used to trolling 4chan....

I say, buy a nice all matching German WW2 K98, spend a good $2000, and chop it up real good like!!! Add a pistol grip and a nice NCStar.... would be wicked cool!

U mad?

 

[Woodeneye]

Here we go again.

 

[H Wally]

FFS.... how is it that we get these people weekly?

Ok, to break it down again. It's because they're historically important. Modifying them because it'll look "uber leet fricking cool" is a bad idea to put it lightly. People spend tons on money to bugger up an original gun, realise it doesn't work worth a damn, then try to sell it for the cost they put into it and then whine about why no one will buy it. While it's your own choice, most people don't understand what they're doing, and how much it will cost them (for reference see all the overpriced messed up tacticooled milsurps at outrageous prices in the EE).

If you want to do non-permanent mods (basically a scout scope setup) then you'll be helped, because it's reparable. If you start talking about historically incorrect side mounts or stocks, you'll get flamed. This is also based on the fact that you can get a better shooting gun by buying one of the thousands of already sportered milsurps and building on that.

If you buy and permanently alter an original milsurp, you will reduce the value of the gun itself by roughly half or more (depending on the value of the remaining unaltered parts to be sold as replacement parts) and the value of the scope and mounts once removed. That's just the way it is. I'm not joking on the reduction by half. That's if it's done well.... most mausers and enfields that are sporterised end up selling for somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2, so losing 50% of the gun's original value would be the best you could hope for.

If you want accuracy, buy a sportered milsurp for $100-$200 depending, then put whatever you want on it, and spend your saved $300 on better optics, trigger or bedding, which the milsurp would have needed to be accurized anyways.

You can walk a fine line by buying the correct reproduction mounts for the correct gun... but that's very expensive and you'll likely only break even in cost-value, maybe even losing money as far as gunsmithing costs go. In that case, Yugo mausers took Zrack mounts, and accumounts makes scope mount setups for mausers.

Another option is to buy a K31 in full wood and a steel scope mount, muzzle brake and bipod for it. They're all no-gunsmithing parts, super rediculously solid, and the K31 is one of the most accurate milsurps known to man... and surplus ammo is out there.

 

[mmattockx]

I do not want a nasty ass budda sporter. I just want to add a scout scope or one of those side mounting scopes. Maybe a different stock down the line.

Also why do you care what I do to my gun?

I don't really care much what you do to your firearms, but there is no point in buying a pristine, untouched example of a WWII era Mauser and cutting it up to "customize" it.

Adding a scout scope is no issue and shouldn't involve any permanent alterations. Adding a side mount requires drilling and tapping holes and will lower the value of the rifle. Your gun, your choice.

Mark

 

[bryan.14]

I recommend a Winchester model 70, Pre 64 Mauser action. Great action and open sights, they also come ready for scopes. My uncle's is very accurate, Chambered in 30-06(also many other calibers).

Don't waste your time with a stock military mauser. If you want an 8mm(7.92 jrs) try a Huskvarna 98 mauser, All have the same bolt-action design.

 

[bearhunter]

Check out Tradex

Check out Tradex, a banner sponsor at the top of the page. They have some very decent South American Mausers that have been converted to 7.62 Nato. They may not be matching but are at least in an easy to find and readily available cartridge.

They aren't short rifles but they can easily be made into one to get what you desire.

To my knowledge, the scout rifle you envision, is a one off. Even the originals, used in South Africa and Rhodesia, were made from sporters that were cut down.

The purpose of a "Scout Rifle" is something short, light and powerful. Ruger, has come out with a factory produced "Scout Rifle" that will cost about the same as the rifle you envision. It will more than likely be a lot more accurate than a cobble together as well.

Do what you like with your rifles, if you know it's going to cause trouble, go somewhere else and ask. Most of the collector types here won't put up with it for long.

Just so most people understand, not all Mausers are collectible. Many are cobbled together out of parts. RCs are a prime example. There are lots of Turks out there as well.

If you really have to have a pristine example, go for it. Just be prepared to shell out lots of dollars.

I don't really understand the hooplah over the Marstar M48 rifles. There is nothing historical about them at all, other than they never were roll stamped to designate ownership.

The real problem is the rifle you are trying to emulate, doesn't match what's readily available. You need a carbine length rifle. That will set you back at least another $500 for an excellent example. Do any damage to it at all and you will be throwing away that $500.

Again, look at Tradex. They have 98 mausers that you can build up to look like what you want and in the condition you want.

 

[Nabs]

I say look for one that has already been to bubba's house and play around with that as not many people will miss it.

You'll get what you want in the end and not condemn another milsurp.

 

[Recce21]

I do not want a nasty ass budda sporter. I just want to add a scout scope or one of those side mounting scopes. Maybe a different stock down the line.

Also why do you care what I do to my gun?

 

[redbonefish]

I presume you are more used to trolling 4chan....

I say, buy a nice all matching German WW2 K98, spend a good $2000, and chop it up real good like!!! Add a pistol grip and a nice NCStar.... would be wicked cool!

U mad?

buddy you just went full retard.

FFS.... how is it that we get these people weekly?

Ok, to break it down again. It's because they're historically important. Modifying them because it'll look "uber leet fricking cool" is a bad idea to put it lightly. People spend tons on money to bugger up an original gun, realise it doesn't work worth a damn, then try to sell it for the cost they put into it and then whine about why no one will buy it. While it's your own choice, most people don't understand what they're doing, and how much it will cost them (for reference see all the overpriced messed up tacticooled milsurps at outrageous prices in the EE).

Yeah I understand. As I said all I wanted to do was scope it or maybe change the stock.

If you buy and permanently alter an original milsurp, you will reduce the value of the gun itself by roughly half or more (depending on the value of the remaining unaltered parts to be sold as replacement parts) and the value of the scope and mounts once removed. That's just the way it is. I'm not joking on the reduction by half. That's if it's done well.... most mausers and enfields that are sporterised end up selling for somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2, so losing 50% of the gun's original value would be the best you could hope for.

Resale value is not a concern when I buy firearms

Another option is to buy a K31 in full wood and a steel scope mount, muzzle brake and bipod for it. They're all no-gunsmithing parts, super rediculously solid, and the K31 is one of the most accurate milsurps known to man... and surplus ammo is out there.

That was another option but finding ammo/brass for that gun is a real pain in the ass.

I say look for one that has already been to bubba's house and play around with that as not many people will miss it.

You'll get what you want in the end and not condemn another milsurp.

If you read the thread you would know that all I want to do is scope my classic mauser.

Cool logic bro. As I stated before why do you seriously care? If you're not add on to the topic do not even bother posting.

I don't really care much what you do to your firearms, but there is no point in buying a pristine, untouched example of a WWII era Mauser and cutting it up to "customize" it.

Mark

Obviously you do care enough if you keep replying back to me.



Look guys if you want to troll the s**t out of me that is fine. So far only a few people have provided me with advice. I just asked a friend and used the googles more and found my answers. Anyway I am gonna ask a mod to close this thread as it turned from requesting answers into trolling and off topic rudeness.

Anyway I am out.

 

[Recce21]

Cool logic bro. As I stated before why do you seriously care? If you're not add on to the topic do not even bother posting.

I care because the spirit of the milsurp sub forum is the preservation, not destruction of milsurp firearms. It may not say that in the description but 99.9% of threads are about the preservation of and historical significance of milsurps. Trolling threads like this are no different than guys who post in the Precision Rifle thread about their .22's

Anyway I am out.
Best advice in this thread so far.

 

[Zionad]

Why does anyone care what someone does to a rifle that isn't theirs?
I could care less how much a lower the value of an old gun by putting a scope on it to shoot deer. I don't buy guns to sell them, I buy them to shoot them.

I want a nice german 8mm mauser milsurp that i can mount a scope too and will reliably shoot at deer, moose, elk and bear.

I like the history of these rifles so I want to use one for hunting. I don't care about new rifles at all.

If you take offense to this kind of attitude then you spend too much time on the computer and not enough in the real world.

 

[USP]

closed by OP request