I've decided it's time to add a new toy to the safe. I want something with a metal frame, since I already have a couple polymer framed ones. I've narrowed it down to a cz 75 ts2 or a tanfoglio limited custom, I just need some help deciding which one to choose.
Which one would you choose 75 ts2 or tanfoglio?
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ambishooter
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Both good. But with Tanfoglio Limited Custom, if the barrel is polygonal, you cannot shoot hard cast reloads accurately. It will shoot wildly, keyholes/tumbles after just several rounds. But if you will shoot only jacketed ammo, win-win for either. Just try both and see where your grip, sight picture is within your preference.
CZ for no other reason than they really fit me well and are great guns!!
Yep, might even shoot out of the back of the darn gun even. LOL
Actually, I am living proof that polygonal barres shoot cast lead just fine. I think it is just another BS story used by some manufactures and individuals to sway public opinion away from or towards specific manufacturers.
I have an all steel IWI Jericho in .40 (I think all the internals are built by Tanfoglio, maybe other parts as well,) with a polygonal barrel. I have only ever fired DRG cast lead bullets out of it, and I have put almost 3000 rounds through the gun, and the bore fowles less than conventionally rifled pistols that I own. I clean it but not often, and it is superbly accurate, always.
My buddy has an older Tanfoglio, and it handles all ammo well, another has a Sphinx (in Switzerland) which also has a connection with Tanfoglio; nice gun.
Glocks have a looser chamber with a quicker transition to the rifling, which is where lead builds up; this can cause an out of battery ignition; when coupled with the looser chamber and a large area of a shell being unsupported is the cause. Their barrels with conventional rifling might even be more prone to issues because cut rifling tends to be sharper, and causes more friction than polygonal rifling (evidenced by higher muzzle velocity for polygonal barrels, and the fact that they also last much longer.
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ambishooter
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You might be right about polygonal barrels in Tanfo, Jericho and Glock. I have seen Tanfos, Jerichos and Glocks, barrel are all clean prior to shooting. But after 25-50 rds, Tanfos and Jerichos suffers keyholing. With Glocks, just maybe 10-20 rds, same problem. And when the barrels are cleaned, by just several bronze brush passes, fired again, same hard cast bullets, no more tumbling/keyholing. All these pistols are relatively new, with maybe less 1000 rds each into the barrel. I was also thinking of the hardness of the hardcast bullets, the alloy content and diameter of the bullet, powder load and overall length of the reloaded ammo are potential factors to consider. The Tanfo owner tried varying powder charge and overall length, same result after 25-50 rds. But with Plated, FMJ/TMJ or even polymer coated bullets, accuracy definitely improved. BTW, results varies. These observations are based on what I saw and might not be the case in multiple situations.
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CZ for no other reason than they really fit me well and are great guns!!
Yep, might even shoot out of the back of the darn gun even. LOL
Actually, I am living proof that polygonal barres shoot cast lead just fine. I think it is just another BS story used by some manufactures and individuals to sway public opinion away from or towards specific manufacturers.
I have an all steel IWI Jericho in .40 (I think all the internals are built by Tanfoglio, maybe other parts as well,) with a polygonal barrel. I have only ever fired DRG cast lead bullets out of it, and I have put almost 3000 rounds through the gun, and the bore fowles less than conventionally rifled pistols that I own. I clean it but not often, and it is superbly accurate, always.
My buddy has an older Tanfoglio, and it handles all ammo well, another has a Sphinx (in Switzerland) which also has a connection with Tanfoglio; nice gun.
Glocks have a looser chamber with a quicker transition to the rifling, which is where lead builds up; this can cause an out of battery ignition; when coupled with the looser chamber and a large area of a shell being unsupported is the cause. Their barrels with conventional rifling might even be more prone to issues because cut rifling tends to be sharper, and causes more friction than polygonal rifling (evidenced by higher muzzle velocity for polygonal barrels, and the fact that they also last much longer.
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I have two CZ-75 9mm Tactical Sport pistols. Bought one & liked it so much i bought another as a backup (both lightly used and at great prices). Phenomenal triggers (1.8-2.2 pounds from the factory), very accurate and SAO which I really wanted. The TS2 is the newer version. Tried one at the 2020 SHOT Show and loved it. If I didn't already have the other two i would buy one.
I can't speak specifically to the Tanfos but lead bullets in some polygonal barrels can be a problem if the gun is not cleaned regularly. A couple years ago I saw a Glock barrel that the owner thought had metal stripping off the bore. Turns out he had not cleaned it after shooting a lot of lead bullets and what he thought was metal from the bore was actually strips of lead that had filled up the polygonal 'grooves' and were peeling off. Aside from degrading accuracy this could create a dangerous condition as the lead buildup decreases bore diameter which could cause chamber pressure to rise dangerously as the bullet was being squeezed down the bore. The simple (and cheap) solution is just to shoot powder coated bullets. Eliminates leading in the polygonal barrel and much cheaper than jacketed or plated bullets.
I can't speak specifically to the Tanfos but lead bullets in some polygonal barrels can be a problem if the gun is not cleaned regularly. A couple years ago I saw a Glock barrel that the owner thought had metal stripping off the bore. Turns out he had not cleaned it after shooting a lot of lead bullets and what he thought was metal from the bore was actually strips of lead that had filled up the polygonal 'grooves' and were peeling off. Aside from degrading accuracy this could create a dangerous condition as the lead buildup decreases bore diameter which could cause chamber pressure to rise dangerously as the bullet was being squeezed down the bore. The simple (and cheap) solution is just to shoot powder coated bullets. Eliminates leading in the polygonal barrel and much cheaper than jacketed or plated bullets.
