Which one?

what kind of shooting are you doing? FTR/benchrest/tactical?

ive got a mil/mil 6-24sfp, which is great, and I've just gotten a mil/mil 6-24ffp, and in overcast/grey weather I noticed the ffp glass was noticeably brighter vs the sfp. Havent compared to the 8-32 so cant comment on those scopes or the 10-50. I also prefer the mil hash with open center dot on the ffp vs the plain mildot on the sfp.
 
LeftFootOfDoom said:
what kind of shooting are you doing? FTR/benchrest/tactical?

ive got a mil/mil 6-24sfp, which is great, and I've just gotten a mil/mil 6-24ffp, and in overcast/grey weather I noticed the ffp glass was noticeably brighter vs the sfp. Havent compared to the 8-32 so cant comment on those scopes or the 10-50. I also prefer the mil hash with open center dot on the ffp vs the plain mildot on the sfp.
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Bench mostly and some prone. I may shoot some coyote, but chances are I wont lol.
Ive also looked at the Burris Verocity 4-20x50, but the Sightron seems way more superior.
I have researched and I am amazed how many users of the S ightron compare it in quality to the Nightforce minus the huge price difference.
 
tinymike66 said:
Bench mostly and some prone. I may shoot some coyote, but chances are I wont lol.
Ive also looked at the Burris Verocity 4-20x50, but the Sightron seems way more superior.
I have researched and I am amazed how many users of the S ightron compare it in quality to the Nightforce minus the huge price difference.
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The "quality" comparison between optics is almost always about "glass clarity" which has very little to do with determining if an optic is quality or not. Internal adjustments and their consistency and repeatability are far more important. There is no comparison on the whole between Sightron and Nightforce. Not saying Sightron aren't good optics but they're nowhere near the quality of a Nightforce.
 
Kidd X said:
The "quality" comparison between optics is almost always about "glass clarity" which has very little to do with determining if an optic is quality or not. Internal adjustments and their consistency and repeatability are far more important. There is no comparison on the whole between Sightron and Nightforce. Not saying Sightron aren't good optics but they're nowhere near the quality of a Nightforce.
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Hell of a lot of reviews and personal experience out there to read on those comparisons.
Unless everyone's a liar then IDK.
As for overall build quality, I totally figure Nightforce's prices are a direct reflection of their top quality, But as I said these are all comparisons.
I've also noticed the Nightforce owners buying the Sightron as well.
I know the cost is a factor and also realize a lot of reviews are basd on glass clarity, but a heck of a lot of review cover overall build etc.
all do mention that Nightforce will take a kicking out in field and how durable it is.
that in mind, I will not be trekking through rough survival or military tactical scenarios.
I take nothing from Nightforce and believe its an overall better scope but, I wonder how much.
 
6-24x50 Sightron will do everything the more pricey Nightforce optic will do. If you were a pro shooter and making a living maybe a high end Nightforce would give you the edge but that's debateable. For alot of shooters its just trendy to have the most expensive scope then come on here and weekly post pics of it and their $5k rifle...guess it makes them feel good lol....Burris Verocity would probably work as well as the Sightron for even less..really its your money.
 
scott_r said:
6-24x50 Sightron will do everything the more pricey Nightforce optic will do. If you were a pro shooter and making a living maybe a high end Nightforce would give you the edge but that's debateable. For alot of shooters its just trendy to have the most expensive scope then come on here and weekly post pics of it and their $5k rifle...guess it makes them feel good lol....Burris Verocity would probably work as well as the Sightron for even less..really its your money.
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Thanks, I'm not even competing.
So may I ask why 6-24x50 over 8-32x56?
 
tinymike66 said:
Thanks, I'm not even competing.
So may I ask why 6-24x50 over 8-32x56?
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I just find FOV, Mirage and holding on target are greatly effected with anything over 21x but that's just me and I'm not a pro by any means. I do shoot a bunch of gophers and coyotes at long range and never am over 18 power most of the time. Im not a fan of 56 mm objectives either for the fact you need to adjust comb height and would probably not give your CTR a balanced clean look, even the 6-24x50 might look a bit big but that just my preferences.
 
scott_r said:
I just find FOV, Mirage and holding on target are greatly effected with anything over 21x but that's just me and I'm not a pro by any means. I do shoot a bunch of gophers and coyotes at long range and never am over 18 power most of the time. Im not a fan of 56 mm objectives either for the fact you need to adjust comb height and would probably not give your CTR a balanced clean look, even the 6-24x50 might look a bit big but that just my preferences.
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Fair enough. The CTR has picatinny rails.
Rifle should be in next week...once in my hands I'll get a good idea
 
Kidd X said:
The "quality" comparison between optics is almost always about "glass clarity" which has very little to do with determining if an optic is quality or not. Internal adjustments and their consistency and repeatability are far more important. There is no comparison on the whole between Sightron and Nightforce. Not saying Sightron aren't good optics but they're nowhere near the quality of a Nightforce.
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Ummm, does winning matches in Canada, the US and overseas against a wide range of top brand scopes count as "quality"?

Does setting a new group record in the UK with I believe 5rds into 0.078" at 100yds mean the scope will hold it's POA?

I think you will find that the mechanicals of many Sightron lines will equal or better many other brands. Sightron marketing and social media presence is HORRIBLE. In this day and age, it doesn't work BUT the product is sound and those that use them, enjoy them quietly.

When you are dialing from 100 to 1000yds and the first shot gets you a V ... your tracking works.

Jerry
 
tinymike66 said:
OK so narrowed down to a Sightron Siii optic.

Now what should I get.
6-24x50
8-32x56
10-50x60

Its gonna go on a Tikka T3x CTR 20" barrel 6.5 CM
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Application, application, application.... you have 3 wonderful scope lines. All have their strengths and intended audience.

Decide on your appplication and the scope choice is obvious... Given what you have said so far, the 6-24X50 will make you very happy.

Don't get caught up with high mag for field shooting. With the 24X, we were engaging milk jug sized targets out towards 1 mile. Good glass trumps high mag with fuzzy optics.

I am currently running STAC3-16's on my 6.5 CM Rem 783's.... no problem engaging a 8 1/2" faced rock at 1450yds. And the glass isn't as good as the SIII's.

:)

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Application, application, application.... you have 3 wonderful scope lines. All have their strengths and intended audience.

Decide on your appplication and the scope choice is obvious... Given what you have said so far, the 6-24X50 will make you very happy.

Don't get caught up with high mag for field shooting. With the 24X, we were engaging milk jug sized targets out towards 1 mile. Good glass trumps high mag with fuzzy optics.

I am currently running STAC3-16's on my 6.5 CM Rem 783's.... no problem engaging a 8 1/2" faced rock at 1450yds. And the glass isn't as good as the SIII's.

:)

Jerry
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Awesome.
Thank you
 
tinymike66 said:
Hell of a lot of reviews and personal experience out there to read on those comparisons.
Unless everyone's a liar then IDK.
As for overall build quality, I totally figure Nightforce's prices are a direct reflection of their top quality, But as I said these are all comparisons.
I've also noticed the Nightforce owners buying the Sightron as well.
I know the cost is a factor and also realize a lot of reviews are basd on glass clarity, but a heck of a lot of review cover overall build etc.
all do mention that Nightforce will take a kicking out in field and how durable it is.
that in mind, I will not be trekking through rough survival or military tactical scenarios.
I take nothing from Nightforce and believe its an overall better scope but, I wonder how much.
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You are absolutely correct. Sightron makes good optics but they are nowhere near as robust as a Nightforce. For those of us who don't abuse our gear(most of us I hope) the Sightron may be more than enough optic. If you want the piece of mind that your optic can take a sh*t kicking and hold up then you gotta pay to play.

Mystic Precision said:
Ummm, does winning matches in Canada, the US and overseas against a wide range of top brand scopes count as "quality"?

Does setting a new group record in the UK with I believe 5rds into 0.078" at 100yds mean the scope will hold it's POA?

I think you will find that the mechanicals of many Sightron lines will equal or better many other brands. Sightron marketing and social media presence is HORRIBLE. In this day and age, it doesn't work BUT the product is sound and those that use them, enjoy them quietly.

When you are dialing from 100 to 1000yds and the first shot gets you a V ... your tracking works.

Jerry
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First off Jerry, every single optic thread is prefaced with your "buy sightron" mantra. Seeing as you're a dealer who sells Sightron your opinion might be just a little bit biased. Second, winning matches is great, now take your rifle invert it and drop it on the scope. Tell me if your Sightron still holds zero and tracks correctly. Record groups have nothing to do with tracking either, it's about the shooter. More importantly the only people who shoot groups are competitors, hunters and the MIL/LE users don't shoot groups, they get one shot at it. Again, I'm not saying Sightron is junk because it is far from that. I'm saying they're not the most robust dependable scope on the market. The price difference between a Sightron and a Nightforce/S&B/Kahles etc is justified by the care taken in manufacturing, the components used and the ability to abuse the optic without worry.
 
Ummm, I can offer you a Tangent Theta... that'll take a good smack... and seems to be doing well in the professional world.

Dealer for these scopes too

In reality, most shooters do not abuse their stuff. Sightrons aren't made of tissue . They handle the bumps that occur in general use and hunting. If you think a competition scope only gets handled with kid gloves, you haven't see the bumping and dings you get in rifle racks or from a passing boot. And yeah, sometimes rifles fall out of said rack or out of your cart and that zero better still be on so....

In my world, that first shot is 50% of the sighters and that is VERY important to be spot on... Putting that first shot in the very small center after moving that reticle a whole bunch, goes a long ways to winning that relay so, I bet competitors take that stable POA and positive tracking far more then the average hunter. We don't sit there with a quarter knocking the top of our turrets.

Then the number of rds a competition scope lives through is many many times more then a hunting rifle and a tactical rifle. My current competition SIII is now north of 12,000rds with a crap ton of dialing over the last 5 yrs. Still going strong.

And since some choose to use and win with them mounted on 50 BMG's and AIR RIFLES, the internals are very well designed... and more then strong enough to do the job of being an optical device.

If you need a scope to hammer a nail or to beat off a bear, yeah, I would suggest another brand ( how about the TT?)....but there are likely better tools for those jobs then a scope. If you need a scope to hit targets with, Sightrons make for a very good investment.

I competed with Sightrons before becoming a dealer. (still compete with them)... THAT is why I recommend them.

Jerry

PS, if you think that record size groups don't demand the very best in scope mechanicals, well, there really isn't much more you need to learn about scopes
 
I have a Sightron SIII 6-24x50 on my Savage 10TR and it is a great scope. I have shot out to 800m with it and it performed great. I wouldn't hesitate buying another Sightron. I was thinking about the 8-32x56 but for my shooting right now the 6-24 is perfect.
 
They don't have a zero stop and they don't have ffp, they aren't in the same league as nf. Not by a long shot. I own almost all of the above mentioned scopes including the TT, NF, S&B, vortex gen 2 razor and yes even a sightron and it's at the bottom of the pack compared to the rest. Now I'm sure since Jerry is one of the greatest shots out there that he'll come up with some clever way to tell that because he shot some tight group somewhere that I'm wrong. At the end of the day it comes down to budget and application. Decide what you want to do with it and what you want to spend and go from there.
 
6-24 - Field shooting. Rocks, gongs, varmints... you need a wide field of view, enough mag to engage but not too much so you can spot your own misses. From 200 to 2000 yds, this is what I recommend when you are not just punching paper. The most portable of the 3 so if you need to be mobile, this is for you.

10-50 - Pure paper punching scope. I use the SIII and SV 10-50's on my FTR rifles. When conditions allow, it is sure nice to crank up the mag and start hammering that center. When mirage picks up, I back down to around 32X. These are big scopes which need tall rings... NOT the type of scope I would want on a hunting rifle unless I am only working from a truck and even then, the mag is not helping you in these type of applications

8-32 - the middle ground and the most popular in this series.. because it is the middle ground. A jack of all traits and if you are limited to one scope for field AND paper punching AND you can tolerate a bigger scope, this is for you.

I like to specialise my choices to suit my end use needs so I do not have a 8-32 at this time but they are great scopes.

Sightron DOES make FFP scopes in the 6-24 line up in both MOA and MRAD clicks... have for a few years

Sightron is rumored to be working on a zero stop... Slow to market? you bet but hopefully, it will work well out of the gate.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Ummm, I can offer you a Tangent Theta... that'll take a good smack... and seems to be doing well in the professional world.

Dealer for these scopes too

In reality, most shooters do not abuse their stuff. Sightrons aren't made of tissue . They handle the bumps that occur in general use and hunting. If you think a competition scope only gets handled with kid gloves, you haven't see the bumping and dings you get in rifle racks or from a passing boot. And yeah, sometimes rifles fall out of said rack or out of your cart and that zero better still be on so....

Bumps in a rack are a joke, if that is a concern you need better kit.

In my world, that first shot is 50% of the sighters and that is VERY important to be spot on... Putting that first shot in the very small center after moving that reticle a whole bunch, goes a long ways to winning that relay so, I bet competitors take that stable POA and positive tracking far more then the average hunter. We don't sit there with a quarter knocking the top of our turrets.

If you hunt or serve that first round is 100% critical whether you've spun turrets or not.

Then the number of rds a competition scope lives through is many many times more then a hunting rifle and a tactical rifle. My current competition SIII is now north of 12,000rds with a crap ton of dialing over the last 5 yrs. Still going strong.

Depends on the user in all cases. Hunters generally shoot fewer rounds than others but I doubt the MIL/LE users are shooting low numbers.

And since some choose to use and win with them mounted on 50 BMG's and AIR RIFLES, the internals are very well designed... and more then strong enough to do the job of being an optical device.

If you need a scope to hammer a nail or to beat off a bear, yeah, I would suggest another brand ( how about the TT?)....but there are likely better tools for those jobs then a scope. If you need a scope to hit targets with, Sightrons make for a very good investment.

I never said Sightron weren't good optics, just don't claim they're as good as a Nightforce because they aren't.

I competed with Sightrons before becoming a dealer. (still compete with them)... THAT is why I recommend them.

Jerry

PS, if you think that record size groups don't demand the very best in scope mechanicals, well, there really isn't much more you need to learn about scopes

Can you quote where I made such a statement??? No you can't.
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IN the green above.

I'm a practical individual and appreciate practical gear. Shooting tiny groups has zero practical value outside of producing academic data on the components involved. If you can make a first round hit then it's more than reasonable to expect a second, third fourth round is capable of making the same/similar hit.

Can you tell us anything about the construction methods or testing Sightron does to their optics?
 
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