Which Optic for my Colt?

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Ok, so I am lost here and I need some help...

I am waiting on the delivery of my new Colt LE6920 which I plan to use for service rifle and CQB shooting. My issue now is that I need to decide on an optics choice for this new beauty which will serve my intended purpose(s). Having never shot service rifle/cqb competition (outside of military PWT shoots), I am not sure as to what will be the best choice for optics. Therefore, I would like to ask those of you who are active (or have been active) in service rifle/cqb competition your opinions on which optic you would recommend and why? Do you run a red-dot? Do you run a 1-4? What have you found to be a well rounded choice and for what reasons?

Thanks in advance for any and all help and/or advice.
 
Just remember what ever you get you have to take into account that the 6920 has the iron m4 front sight to clear so stay away from mini stuff unless you want to buy risers etc...A bigger eotech 5 something would be nice.....My 2 Cents...
 
SR goes back to 500m. A sight with some real resolution helps. A lower powered variable with finger knobs for rapid repeatable adjustments can be good for all-round use. I've used 1 1/2 to 5 and currently use a Leupold Mk.IV 2-8.
 
I don't compete but I love my Elcan Specter DR.
My ACOG is also good but it is a fixed 4 power so not sure how good it would be at really close range. Both have BDC reticles to help you out on the long shots.
 
tiriaq said:
SR goes back to 500m. A sight with some real resolution helps. A lower powered variable with finger knobs for rapid repeatable adjustments can be good for all-round use. I've used 1 1/2 to 5 and currently use a Leupold Mk.IV 2-8.
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This.

I've used a Vortex Razor HD 1-4 for SR and CQB. It worked well enough, but I have now moved on to separate rifles/optics setups for each competition. My service rifle has a Leupold Mark IV 2.5-8 and my CQB rifle has an EOTech.
 
I run eotechs with a slap to side g33 magnifier. The HHS 2 package comes with an xps-2 and g33, that would be great, but you can go tried and true with a 512. You get your close quarter engagements, then you slap the g33 in for 100 to 200 yards. High quality, drop resistant, large field of view. Whats good with a 512 or an xps2 is that you can keep both eyes open due to the pretty large field of view and easy acquisition of the red reticle and dot by your eye.

You can get both for under 1000$. You can also drop in a light and green laser also made by L3 (eotech) for about 400$ I think.

I love my eotechs, I have a bunch of them and to be honest they are so clear, I even prefer them to my aimpoint.

Problem with fixed 4x mag like acogs is that you`re stuck on magnification, and sometimes shooting 25 meters on magnification on a moving target (or if you`re the one moving) is a real pain in the ass.
 
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well.. i am in love with my acog 4x ta31 on my 14.5" AR. very nice hits at 100m+. elcan is my next choice but i find it a little heavy on the AR's better for tavor. eotech and aimpoint are fine for less than 100m and can do better if you have good eyes
 
Rebel Rouser said:
Elcan Spectre DR
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Yah I have one of those on my Tavor, it`s a remarkable optic but it`s heavy. I wouldn't go with that for an CQB AR for matches. It would be perfect for the long shots though, but I doubt it`ll reach till 500 yards. Not too sure theres one single optic that can do cqb and 500 yards all in one.
 
mikethebike said:
Yah I have one of those on my Tavor, it`s a remarkable optic but it`s heavy. I wouldn't go with that for an CQB AR for matches. It would be perfect for the long shots though, but I doubt it`ll reach till 500 yards. Not too sure theres one single optic that can do cqb and 500 yards all in one.
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Exactly.
 
mikethebike said:
Yah I have one of those on my Tavor, it`s a remarkable optic but it`s heavy. I wouldn't go with that for an CQB AR for matches. It would be perfect for the long shots though, but I doubt it`ll reach till 500 yards. Not too sure theres one single optic that can do cqb and 500 yards all in one.
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One of the 1-8 or 1-10 March/S&B optics would do fine. 8x is plenty for 500 yard SR deliberates IMO.
 
Depends on your budget. If you can afford 1-8X go for it. If not a decent 1-4X will get it done. I have shot 600 yards with 3.5X and had no problems (Fig 12 and 11's)
 
The amount of magnification required is based on the size of the target, the reticle design (size and shape) and the precision of your rifle.

To shoot at a 20"X20" target with a stock rifle that has an average precision of 2.5MOA at 500m, all you need is 3.4X with a pointy picket, as demonstrated by the soldiers that beat out the civilians with high powered scope in numerous matches.

If the target is 10"X10", you probably will need a 8x and a rifle (and a shooter) that is capable of of less than 1.5 MOA at 500m. Honestly, most of the stock rifles and factory ammo will not be able to do that.

Therefore, putting a high power scope on a rifle that is not precise enough is a waste. Putting a high power scope to shoot at a big target with fine cross hair reticle is a waste too. The more magnification, the more tunnel vision - therefore, for a general purpose rifle you should use the min. amount of magnification,that you can get away with, to identify the targets and shoot at them.

The big point here is that it is not the amount of detail you can see in the target that matters, it is maintaining a consistent sight picture that matters the most. I have shot 500 yards with a 4MOA aimpoint. It is not magic. The target is a big black 20"X40" silhouette, and I know my bullet drop. Will I be able to do it with a 10" target - probably not. To tell the truth, I would rather have a 2MOA aimpoint for any shots up to and include 200m.
 
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The amount of magnification required is based on the size of the target, the reticle design (size and shape) and the precision of your rifle.

To shoot at a 20"X20" target with a stock rifle that has an average precision of 2.5MOA at 500m, all you need is 3.4X with a pointy picket, as demonstrated by the soldiers that beat out the civilians with high powered scope in numerous matches.

If the target is 10"X10", you probably will need a 8x and a rifle (and a shooter) that is capable of of less than 1.5 MOA at 500m. Honestly, most of the stock rifles and factory ammo will not be able to do that.

Therefore, putting a high power scope on a rifle that is not precise enough is a waste. Putting a high power scope to shoot at a big target with fine cross hair reticle is a waste too. The more magnification, the more tunnel vision - therefore, for a general purpose rifle you should use the min. amount of magnification,that you can get away with, to identify the targets and shoot at them.

The big point here is that it is not the amount of detail you can see in the target that matters, it is maintaining a consistent sight picture that matters the most. I have shot 500 yards with a 4MOA aimpoint. It is not magic. The target is a big black 20"X40" silhouette, and I know my bullet drop. Will I be able to do it with a 10" target - probably not. To tell the truth, I would rather have a 2MOA aimpoint for any shots up to and include 200m.
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Bingo^
 
I am more into bolt guns so as I started my optics quest for AR's I really wanted to make the 1-4X work

Went with IOR, then Nightforce etc but the reality is short of a Schmidt Bender Short dot, found that on a AR for smacking gongs and a paper it was way slower

3.5 - 4X ACOGS

- its a love hate thing . If I could only have one style for AR plinking I would go with this . Gives you perfect magnification for smacking gongs at 500 yards
- I seldom shoot any targets closer than 50 yards with most of my AR's that wear ACOGS so for me, I think it works quick enough
- the key is get use to the BAC of most of the ACOGs ( shooting both eyes open )

Aimpoint
- I have a slew of Aimpoints . Just be careful what MOA dot you choose ( if you plan to run magnifier etc )
- fast but anyone who says its great for precision 500 yards is full off poop....think about it , most aimpoint dots are 4MOA .
- 1MOA is about ( actually 1.047" @ 100yrds ) 1 inch, so a 4 MOA dot covers 20 inches at 500 yards !! .
- this is why the Trijicon chevron is a more precise aiming point . Even the horseshoe dot is only 2MOA
- if you plan to run magnifier get the 2MOA aimpoint

Only caution is if you have astigmatism it's annoying since the dot is not a round dot

As I developed astigmatism I just got use to the fuzzy dot.

Aimpoint with Magnifier

I actually love this setup . Surprisingly fast especially with Larue flip mount

The best part of this setup is I use this magnifier behind Eotech and Trijicon Tri Power and reflex so I can use it on multiple platforms

Eotech

If find that my astigmatism is not as noticeable with EOTECH

IMO Eotech is great sight, and works awesome with Aimpoint ( careful with mount heights ) and Eotech magnifier

Reality is since I started going down the ACOG path I have not bought another Eotech or Aimpoint

Magnified Optics

I have a couple of "bench" AR's that are far better mated to a magnified optic . If you are bench shooting or trying to hit small gongs at extended ranges these scopes are a much better choice

Obviously not shooting 55gr or 62gr plinking ammo but hand loaded 75Gr or 77Gr ( such as duplicating the MK262 load ....which BTW the military uses with SPR and 10X optics )

The whole purpose of the picatinny rail and mounts is you can move optics around with very good return to zero ( certainly good enough for a red dot ! )

I often take my Acog or red dot off and swap out a magnified optic all in the same range session
 
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