I'm shooting the Sniper Match, 200 to 800 meters, at Connaght this sept., first time, (along with all the other matches) and have 2 scopes for my 308 sniper rifle. One is a burris 6X-24X mil dot one inch tube and the other an IOR Valdada fixed 10X 30mm tube. Which scope is more suitable?
Which scope for NSCC sniper match?
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NavyShooter
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Um,
Just a heads up, I pulled the rulebook yesterday, and the matches appear to be 100-900 meters for the CFSAC rules.
I'll suggest the fixed 10X with the 30mm tube.
Get your zeros in advance if you can....
NS
Just a heads up, I pulled the rulebook yesterday, and the matches appear to be 100-900 meters for the CFSAC rules.
I'll suggest the fixed 10X with the 30mm tube.
Get your zeros in advance if you can....
NS
Make sure that your scope has enough elevation. The Burris might be a bit shy, although with the mildot reticle, you would have options if there is not enough internal elevation. And if at all possible, you want to have established comeups for all ranges. A match is not the place to have to put your faith in theoretical range table settings.
NavyShooter
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(That's part of why I suggested the one with the 30mm tube....they generally have more elevation/windage available due to the larger tube.)
As a rule of thumb, you need at least 30 MOA to go from 100m to 800m, if you're using .308 Win, 168 sierras, and a 26" barrel. (That's 30 MOA UP from your 100m zero.)
NS
Sounds right, although my experience is with 155s. I know a friend got into difficulties with 168s at 1000y (900m).
The other factor of course is that the 30 or more minutes is up from your short range zero. If some elevation was already used up to get that zero, there will be less left. That is why the pitched 20 moa bases, Burris rings with eccentric bushings, etc. can be useful. You build some elevation into the mount, so you can reserve your scopes internal adjustments to get on at long range.
IIRC, I saw the spec. sheet for Burris scopes, and total adjustment range seemed a bit shy for long range on internal adjustments. With the Mildots, you could use one of the dots as a long range aiming mark, as long as you didn't mix up which one to use. Most scopes will have enough internal adjustment for windage. Many shooters will apply a basic correction, then hold off for minor changes. If the wind is really gusty, or switching, all bets are off. Might be necessary then to leave the scope at neutral, apply a correction or hold off for every shot.
The other factor of course is that the 30 or more minutes is up from your short range zero. If some elevation was already used up to get that zero, there will be less left. That is why the pitched 20 moa bases, Burris rings with eccentric bushings, etc. can be useful. You build some elevation into the mount, so you can reserve your scopes internal adjustments to get on at long range.
IIRC, I saw the spec. sheet for Burris scopes, and total adjustment range seemed a bit shy for long range on internal adjustments. With the Mildots, you could use one of the dots as a long range aiming mark, as long as you didn't mix up which one to use. Most scopes will have enough internal adjustment for windage. Many shooters will apply a basic correction, then hold off for minor changes. If the wind is really gusty, or switching, all bets are off. Might be necessary then to leave the scope at neutral, apply a correction or hold off for every shot.
Thanks for the input. I have the Burris rings with plastic inserts to jack up, or actually tilt down, the scope to get more out of internal adjustments. What I was wondering was if the 10 power will work good enough for longer shots, and would it be an advantage for getting on target quicker at closer ranges. Or is the higher magnification of the 24 power better for accuracy at longer ranges.It's the trade off of wider field of view for higher magnification.
I have access to a 1000 meter range and will zero it in this week. I'll try the 10x first and see how it looks.
I have access to a 1000 meter range and will zero it in this week. I'll try the 10x first and see how it looks.
Shelldrake
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I'd go with the Burris,,
Terry Perkins
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Zero the 10x for 200-500 meter work which is quick action in the competition. Sight in the 24X for the 600 to 800 meter deliberate shooting. Remember you get 2 sighters for the deliberate shooting, so if your 24X scope is a little off (when you mount it on the rifle) you should be centered by your first shot for record. This means when you switch to the 24X your partner is focusing on splash and swirl for your 1st shot. See you there.
